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[ugabugger]

I am South and hold

 

x ♠

QJxx ♣

J10xxxxxx ♦

zero ♥

 

bidding as follows:

 

 

W passes

 

N bids 1♠

 

E 2♥

 

I passed

 

N bid 2♠

 

E rose to 4 ♥

 

opps and my p became rather disgruntled as I mused for quite some time

 

East West are vulnerable North South non vulnerable

 

would you pass or bid? If so what is your bid?

 

 

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answer on the last day of September 2015

[helene_t]

hi Ugabugger, welcome to the forum. I formatted your post to make it easier to read.

I am South and hold

 

♠ x

♥ -

♦ J10xxxxxx

♣ QJxx

 

bidding as follows (West deals):

pass-1♠-2♥-pass

pass-2♠-4♥-?

 

opps and my p became rather disgruntled as I mused for quite some time

 

would you pass or bid? If so what is your bid?

What was the vulnerability and scoring? I might try 5♦ if white against red. But then it might have been a better idea to bid 5♦ in the previous round.

[ugabugger]

I am South and hold

 

x ♠ QJxx ♣ J10xxxxxx ♦ zero ♥

 

bidding as follows:

 

 

W passes then N bids 1♠

 

E 2♥

 

I passed

 

N bid 2♠

 

E rose to 4 ♥

 

opps and my p became rather disgruntled as I mused for quite some time

 

would you pass or bid? If so what is your bid?

 

 

check out my non fiction books on kindle

 

Gary Margrove ugabugger@yahoo.com

 

 

have as many guesses as you wish

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[dicklont]

Welcome to the forum.

 

5♦ is a good save, probably down 1 or 2 and it's likely that 4♥ makes.

I would do it on equal or favorable vulnerability.

When even your partner gets disgruntled you might try to make faster decisions, but thinking is allowed. :)

[eagles123]

I am South and hold

 

x ♠ QJxx ♣ J10xxxxxx ♦ zero ♥

 

bidding as follows:

 

 

W passes then N bids 1♠

 

E 2♥

 

I passed

 

N bid 2♠

 

E rose to 4 ♥

 

opps and my p became rather disgruntled as I mused for quite some time

 

East West are vulnerable North South non vulnerable

 

would you pass or bid? If so what is your bid?

 

 

check out my non fiction books on kindle

 

Gary Margrove ugabugger@yahoo.com

 

 

have as many guesses as you wish

 

x 4s 5c 5d 5h 5s 5n 6c 6d 6h 6s 6n 7c 7h 7s 7n

[dicklont]

x 4s 5c 5d 5h 5s 5n 6c 6d 6h 6s 6n 7c 7h 7s 7n

I agree that 4NT would be silly :D

[Cyberyeti]

Welcome to the forums, the hand editor makes these problems more readable (the spade symbol on a white background with red edges):

 

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5♦ is probably a good save, but partner might do something stupid and remove it back to spades at which point your hand could be close to worthless.

 

Vulnerability matters here also. I'd probably bid 5♦ green v red but pass otherwise.

[vinchy]

Seeing as it is meant to be somewhat challenging (with a prize involved), I will venture 7♣ is the answer OP is looking for. :)

[dicklont]

 

 

5♦ is probably a good save, but partner might do something stupid and remove it back to spades at which point your hand could be close to worthless.

 

Vulnerability matters here also. I'd probably bid 5♦ green v red but pass otherwise.

 

Partner cannot touch the 5♦ bid, I heard him bidding spades twice, he knows that.

Helene is right in her comment that this hand should blast 5♦ in the first round, let them make the last guess.

[Cyberyeti]

Partner cannot touch the 5♦ bid, I heard him bidding spades twice, he knows that.

Helene is right in her comment that this hand should blast 5♦ in the first round, let them make the last guess.

 

He shouldn't touch it.

 

5♦ would be voidwood for us so unavailable on the first round.

[vinchy]

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Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is the hand I would expect from an author. Everything breaks.

[bigbenvic]

4nt pick a minor?

 

Probably note not my choice I'm just guessing at the winning bid.

I'd probably bid 5d.

[boosterbbh]

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Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is the hand I would expect from an author. Everything breaks.

If that's north's hand he has to bid 3cl before repeating spades

[tbr]

After the 2 hearts overcall, why don't you make a negative double for both minors?

[helene_t]

There's a saying that 7-4 shapes are one-suited hands. While this may not always be true it certainly is for 8-4 hands. Even if we have a club fit, we will probably strugle to establish the diamond suit.

[Cyberyeti]

After the 2 hearts overcall, why don't you make a negative double for both minors?

 

Because conceding 870 makes you look silly, you have absolutely no defence and no hearts.

 

What's partner supposed to do with Qxxxx, KQ109, AK, xx for example

[case_no_6]

First, your premise that there is a correct answer is flawed. Bridge is a game of imperfect information - unlike chess, for example - and thus the "best bid" is the one where the expected return is greatest. But even this is unknown for bids are not perfect descriptors - they have inherent "error" - and one cannot be sure the players have made the "proper" bids anyway. So there is some guess work involved. (I presume you are not asking for the bid that happens to "work" on a double dummy basis on this particular deal.)

 

Second, it would be helpful if you would present your deals using the established convention of presenting holdings for each bridge hand with the suits in rank order - i.e., first Spades, then Hearts, then Diamonds, and finally Clubs - because it is really hard for readers to follow your presentation otherwise.

 

Finally, I would Pass. The 4H bidder is playing poker. There is no hand where it is probabilistically correct to overcall 2H and then bid 4H on your own at your next turn.

 

Megan

BBO name: Case_No_6

[Cyberyeti]

Finally, I would Pass. The 4H bidder is playing poker. There is no hand where it is probabilistically correct to overcall 2H and then bid 4H on your own at your next turn.

 

Not true, what about a hand that's too good for a 4♥ bid initially and playable somewhere else, where you don't want to double in case the next bid is 4♠ and you have to guess at the 5 level, at least you've got your long suit into the game, and if you do back in at the 5 level you can get both suits in having said which is longer.

[masonbarge]

Too easy.

 

4♠

[case_no_6]

Not true, what about a hand that's too good for a 4♥ bid initially and playable somewhere else, where you don't want to double in case the next bid is 4♠ and you have to guess at the 5 level, at least you've got your long suit into the game, and if you do back in at the 5 level you can get both suits in having said which is longer.

 

While it is certainly true I could be mistaken, I would like to see you construct an example hand that over caller could reasonably have on this auction given this hand where the 4h bid makes sense while fitting the situational constraints you have given. I don't see the disadvantage of bidding 4!h immediately.

[Cyberyeti]

While it is certainly true I could be mistaken, I would like to see you construct an example hand that over caller could reasonably have on this auction given this hand where the 4h bid makes sense while fitting the situational constraints you have given. I don't see the disadvantage of bidding 4!h immediately.

 

♥AQxxxxxx, ♣AQ10x any singleton, you could easily have a slam on opposite not much, you're not expecting 2♥ to end the auction, you can bid 4N over 4♠ if it's bid over your 4♥ just in case partner has a stiff heart and a lot of clubs (you've shown 7-8/4 IMO bidding like this so partner should make the right decision). If S bids 4♠ and partner doubles, at least you have some defence which 4♥ initially wouldn't show.

[keithhus]

I comment as a beginner . I cannot see any sensible bid other than 5D. However, not being interested in Kindle! purpose of my reply is to seek comments on the 1st round pass by S. I think one should better describe ones hand rather than pass. Hence, would it be acceptable to bid 4D , or do I need to go to 5D? Thank you

[Cyberyeti]

I comment as a beginner . I cannot see any sensible bid other than 5D. However, not being interested in Kindle! purpose of my reply is to seek comments on the 1st round pass by S. I think one should better describe ones hand rather than pass. Hence, would it be acceptable to bid 4D , or do I need to go to 5D? Thank you

 

This depends on agreements, but for many:

 

3♦ would overstate your values (partner would expect some defence)

4♦ would be diamonds with a spade fit for some or a splinter with short diamonds and a spade fit for others, natural for very few

5♦ would be diamonds for some so possible, a void in diamonds and spade support (ace asking without the A♦ counting) for others

[helene_t]

purpose of my reply is to seek comments on the 1st round pass by S. I think one should better describe ones hand rather than pass. Hence, would it be acceptable to bid 4D , or do I need to go to 5D?

4♦ is absolutely fine if partner will take this as natural (and weak, presumably, since 3♦ would be forcing).

 

The problem is that many advanced pairs play 4♦ as showing spade suport plus values in diamonds (fit showing jump).

[keithhus]

Thanks Helene and Cyberyeti. At the level I play, 4D would be taken as natural and weak and that is what I would have bid had I had that hand. It remains to be seen whether that would result in the best contract vis-a-vis the other partnership agreements! I assume not, otherwise there would be no point in these other arrangements. Thanks once again.