lycier Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?sn=surelyours&s=SAKTHQ843DKJTCAT2&wn=Robot&w=S742H96DQ9754CJ87&nn=Robot&n=SQ9865HKDA863CK64&en=Robot&e=SJ3HAJT752D2CQ953&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=2H(Weak%20two%20bid%20--%206+%20%21H%3B%2010-%20HCP%3B%209+%20total%20points)2N(2-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%202-5%20%21H%3B%202-5%20%21S%3B%2016-18%20HC)P3H!(Jacoby%20transfer%20--%205+%20%21S)P4S(2-5%20%21C%3B%202-5%20%21D%3B%202-5%20%21H%3B%203-5%20%21S%3B%2018-%20HCP%3B)P7S(5+%20%21S%3B%2013+%20total%20points)PPP&p=H9HKHAH3D2DTDQDAS5S3SKS7SAS4S6SJSTS2S8H2DKD5D3C5DJD4D6H7HQH6D8H5H4D9S9HTC4CQCAC7H8D7SQHJCKC3C2C8C6C9CTCJ]400|300[/hv] This hand is provided by a member of my bridge club.Even though 4♠ is inappropriate,7♠ is also too wide of the mark.7♠ says "5+♠,13+TPs",it only own 12hcp with 12TPs in fact,never 13+TPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surelyours Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 my bidding shows I have under 18hcps, so our side has under 30hcps, it's an adventure for a 6s contract, let alone 7s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 7♠ says "5+♠,13+TPs",it only own 12hcp with 12TPs in fact,never 13+TPs.Let us review, yet again, how GIB counts total points... First, count high card points: A=4, K=3, Q=2, J=1Then, count distribution points: Void=3, Singleton=2, Doubleton=1Finally, add total points plus distribution points, and subtract one for every suit in which you have counted both high card points and distribution points. For example:[hv=pc=n&n=sah5432d5432c5432]133|100[/hv]To count this hand: 4 for ♠A + 2 for ♠ singleton - 1 for counting ♠ twice = 5 So, in OP's hand, North gets: 12 HCP + 2 for singleton - 1 for counting ♥ twice = 13 total points But yes, 7♠ is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 "18- HCP" means under 19hcps. Not that that makes any difference to the excruciatingly stupid 7S bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted February 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Then, add total points plus distribution points, and subtract one for every suit in which you have counted both high card points and distribution points. So:[hv=pc=n&n=sah5432d5432c5432]133|100[/hv]To count this hand: 4 for ♠A + 2 for ♠ singleton - 1 for counting ♠ twice = 5 single Ace= 5 ?Max hardy had ever said that this is very very absurd to overestimate its value,and actually approximately equal to 3,I think you know its value in your heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 single Ace= 5 ?Max hardy had ever said that this is very very absurd to overestimate its value,and actually approximately equal to 3,I think you know its value in your heart.Mr. Goren said it was worth 6, and I still believe him. But the bigger message is that since it seems unlikely that there will be a revamping of GIB's point counting routine anytime soon, players should know how that routine works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 single Ace= 5 ?Max hardy had ever said that this is very very absurd to overestimate its value,and actually approximately equal to 3,I think you know its value in your heart.I think the idea is that if you value x-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx as worth 2 total points in say a heart contract, for the spade ruffing value, it's not unreasonable to value A-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx as 5 total points, for the ace and the ruffing value combined. I don't have a problem with this. x-Axxx-xxxx-xxxx is 6. Where I think GIB underevaluates is mainly when it possesses good 6 and 7 card suits where it should add a bit more for those rather than just counting 1 point for doubleton, 2 for singleton etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surelyours Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Let us review, yet again, how GIB counts total points... First, count high card points: A=4, K=3, Q=2, J=1Then, count distribution points: Void=3, Singleton=2, Doubleton=1Finally, add total points plus distribution points, and subtract one for every suit in which you have counted both high card points and distribution points. For example:[hv=pc=n&n=sah5432d5432c5432]133|100[/hv]To count this hand: 4 for ♠A + 2 for ♠ singleton - 1 for counting ♠ twice = 5 So, in OP's hand, North gets: 12 HCP + 2 for singleton - 1 for counting ♥ twice = 13 total points But yes, 7♠ is absurd.thank you, I accept its having 13 total points now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surelyours Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 "18- HCP" means under 19hcps. Not that that makes any difference to the excruciatingly stupid 7S bid. oh really? "18-HCP" includes 18HCP ? A new thing to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 oh really? "18-HCP" includes 18HCP ? A new thing to me!In GIBberish, "18- HCP" means "18 or fewer HCP" and "18+ HCP" means "18 or more HCP". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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