Cyberyeti Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Teams [hv=pc=n&n=sk9842hjt973da4cq&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1n(11-14)p2h(spades)d(see%20below)p(only%202%20spades)3c]133|200[/hv] What action do you take if double is: a) undiscussedb) takeout of spades and what other actions do you consider ? please rate these on a scale of normal to barking mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Well, it doesn't matter much whether double was undiscussed or takeout of spades, East rates to have 4+ hearts either way. I'm going to bid 3♥ anyway, but only because the hearts are on my left and ripe for finessing out. Even if partner opened offshape with 2254 and we end up in 3NT, the heart position could be fine if he has K8 or so. I would not be so happy with hearts on my right. Nevertheless, I consider pass a very good option too and would rate it as absolutely normal. At matchpoints I would have some sympathy for double but at IMPs I rate it barking mad. I would not consider any other actions than pass, double or 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) [hv=pc=n&n=sk9842hjt973da4cq&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1n(11-14)p2h(spades)d(see%20below)p(only%202%20spades)3c]133|200|TeamsWhat action do you take if double is:a) undiscussedb) takeout of spadesand what other actions do you consider ? please rate these on a scale of normal to barking mad.[/hv] IMO Pass = 10, 3♥ = 9. Double = 5. A T/O Double would be OK but double should be penalty here. It still might work if the hand is a complete misfit. 3♥ is an overbid but might workEdited because I assumed a strong notrump Edited February 22, 2015 by nige1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Unfortunately we can't bid 3H here as it would be GF. I'm not brave enough to double here, so pass is all that's left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 When I bid 2♥, presumably I was planning the uncontested sequence 1NT-2♥;2♠-3♥. What would that have shown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 What is our agreed system here? Some thoughts: X is takeout; others are natural: X seems clearX is pen; others are natural: I prefer the light overbid of 3♥ (assuming this is an overbid) - is a close callX shows diamonds; others are transfers: 3♦ is obviousX is takeout; red suit xfers; 3♠ shows diamonds: I am leaning towards X here but I guess most would prefer 3♦X is pen; red suit xfers; 3♠ shows diamonds: again, 3♦ seems clearX shows diamonds; 3♦ is GF with hearts; 3♥ is nat INV; 3♠ is nat: wtp 3♥ :) As with Michael, I am not sure the opps' agreement is too important per se but I might like to delve a little deeper as some pairs play the X as merely value-showing against a weak NT. Their agreement for double of a Stayman response, for example, would be relevant information as well as, obviously, the meaning of a cue bid in this and other transfer auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 3♥ is not GFX is pens You are an experienced husband/wife partnershipOpps are not a regular partnership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 3♥ then knowing full well it must have gone badly wrong to have been posted! I suppose either 4♥ is making or Opener is 2245 with a stack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 3♥ is 5-5 invitational? Makes sense, otherwise I wouldn't have transfered to spades in the first place. I will try that. If X is t/o of spades, he might have only three hearts. And if we go down, maybe 3♣ would have made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I think this tells me what I really want to know, it occurred in a county B team match teams of 8. What was actually going on: W thought they'd agreed that X was T/O of spadesE didn't and thought it showed heartsIt should have been explained as undiscussed N claimed he'd been damaged by the misexplanation and would have passed (3♣ goes down). The bid chosen at the table was 4♥ which I thought was so completely off planet (nobody's even mentioned it) it qualified as SEWoG and he deserved the 2254 12 count and 5-1 break he got for -4. His captain was a little more diplomatic than I was but seemed to broadly agree that the bid was silly. (Yes I am aware how you should adjust for SEWoG actions, this one is particularly complicated as 3N actually makes in some circumstances NS on this misfitting 22 count) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 When I bid 2♥, presumably I was planning the uncontested sequence 1NT-2♥;2♠-3♥. What would that have shown? Along the same lines what would 1n 2d 2h 2s have shown??? I would play gnasher's sequence as 55+ forcing and my sequence as 55+ invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Along the same lines what would 1n 2d 2h 2s have shown??? I would play gnasher's sequence as 55+ forcing and my sequence as 55+ invitational. Not 100% sure, many people in England don't play Smolen so 1N-2♦-2♥-2♠ is 5+♥/4♠ F1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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