foobar Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=saq8hdkjt7532cak5&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=2s(weak%202)4h]133|200[/hv] Pard's weak 2s are generally sensible and should normally show 6 at this vul. What's your plan for this hand? How high will you bid if they compete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 I think it is close between 6♠ being 50/50 or not. If partner's preempts are good, and diamond honors figure to be in partner's hand or RHO hand not LHO, seems like we should have reasonable play. We might have trouble getting to partner's hands enough though, and we might risk a diamond ruff, especially if we can't pull trumps due to heart losers in partner's hand. But I think I'd try 6♠ if partner's preempts are indeed sensible. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 If partner's weak 2s are "sensible", then partner likely has a ♠ holding headed by the ♠ K/KJ/KJ10 and some outside values. The problem is that you don't know where partner's outside values are. At this level (above 4 ♥), there's no way to identify them. If partner has bid 2 ♠ on something like ♠ KJ10xxx ♥xx ♦ Ax ♣ xxx, a ♠ slam is excellent. But if partner holds something like♠ KJ10xxx ♥Ax ♦ xx ♣ xxx, 4 ♠ may be the last makeable contract. Additionally, partner might have some extra length if the ♠ texture isn't as good -- K109xxxx vs. KJ10xxx. That extra length raises the possibility of a spade ruff if you choose to play in ♦. When the opponents have preempted, the first priority is to land in a "good" spot versus a "perfect" spot. While you wish you could find slam if it's there, the "good" vs. "perfect" spot is 4 ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=saq8hdkjt7532cak5&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=2s(weak%202)4h]133|200[/hv] Pard's weak 2s are generally sensible and should normally show 6 at this vul. What's your plan for this hand? How high will you bid if they compete? Bidding 6♠ Diamonds rate to be in the pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Bidding 6♠ Diamonds rate to be in the pocket.Yes but if we get a heart lead and p has two or three hearts, we may need to ruff the second heart with ♠Q which means that a spade holding like Jxx or Txxx by LHO may give us a trump loser. We could also suffer a diamond ruff. Anyway, I bid 6♠ too. Should have reasonable chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 6♦ anyone? That looks like having chance to be our best slam reasonably often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Yes but if we get a heart lead and p has two or three hearts, we may need to ruff the second heart with ♠Q which means that a spade holding like Jxx or Txxx by LHO may give us a trump loser.We could try bidding hearts first and then follow up with 6♠. I doubt the opps are bidding 7♥ at these colours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 I like 5♥. The ♦A plus expected good spades gives us around 15 tricks. Assuming partner doesn't fess up to the Ace, I don't relish partner being board locked immediately but I expect something for the sound weak 2 besides KJxxxx. Either minor suit Q helps or the ♥K stops the taps to my hand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 First seat red, that weak 2 is cold for slam in my partnership barring an unlucky diamond ruff. I like the idea of 5♥ looking for the grand. Partner wouldn't cue a diamond void would they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Just bid it. Given the support, X is out, 5S is not enough, and we wont get partner excited, if he just holdsthe Queens in spade an diamond, hence just bid 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 4S. have I underbid in enough threads yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I think Phil nailed it. Bid 5♥. If partner has KJ10xxx and the diamond Ace, he has to bid 6♦ along the way. If he bids 5♠, regressive, we still have to bid the small slam. It may fail...the point about being dummy locked is valid. However, assuming the 4♥ call shows solid hearts...and what else could it be given our hand.... partner should hold a minor suit Queen and we rate to have a decent play even if it is the club Q. RHO will hold the diamond Ace and it is highly unlikely that it is LHO with a stiff, such that we fail on a diamond ruff. Anybody who bids 4♠ doesn't deserve to be dealt good hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 :) :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I think Phil nailed it. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 :angry::D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 :angry:Okay.....I gave you an up vote as well, even tho your post wasn't as clear as phil's :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 I would just bid 6♠. You can go the scientific way but that's uncharted territory for many, hence an interesting topic. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 Okay.....I gave you an up vote as well, even tho your post wasn't as clear as phil's :) :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foobar Posted February 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Thanks for the responses. 6♠ was cold with opener's hand and the opponents had an improbable profitable sacrifice in 7♥ (down 2, losing 2 ♣s). [hv=pc=n&n=skjt754hqdq96cq72&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=2s4h]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I just don't understand why everyone is so excited about slam. I like 5♥. The ♦A plus expected good spades gives us around 15 tricks. Assuming partner doesn't fess up to the Ace, I don't relish partner being board locked immediately but I expect something for the sound weak 2 besides KJxxxx. Either minor suit Q helps or the ♥K stops the taps to my hand. How does, say, the ♦Q help? Let's give partnerKJTxxx xxx Qx xx. On a heart lead, what's your plan? The best plan I can come up with needs spades 3-2 and no diamond ruff. Not good odds on this bidding. And I feel generous for giving partner ♠T. I am not sure it gets much better when we assume partner to have a bit more shape. KJxxxx xxxx x Qx and 4♠ is an interesting play problem on a heart lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 too late Arend, 6S was cold. we'll never get any support now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 It did not come up in conversation but what would everyone take 4n as? The fact that we have a void seems to discourage far too many from ever considering something like key card because they want "science" even though our fine game is mostly based on probability. I would not hesitate to bid 4n rkc and if p showed 2 I would suspect the odds are 80%+ they had the dia ace and spade K and would go for 7s. Is everyone using 4n as asking p to bid a minor suit? I am curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardv Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I think I'd bid 5♦. If the auction dies here it might be the right spot, or if they bid 5♥ I'll bid 5♠ involving partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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