bob1509 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 You hold ♠ A3 ♥ 4 ♦ AQJ9752 ♣ KJ4 first in at teams green against red. You open 1D, LHO bids 1S and partner bids 2H to you. What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I bid 2♠, asking partner to bid no trump with a stopper and find the most descriptive bid without. (Partner could have a serious problem with 3523 and no stopper but should be fine otherwise.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Was 2♥ forcing? Do you have an agreement what 2♠ means now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob1509 Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Partner's 2♥ is forcing. 2 ♠ shows a good ♥ raise and 3♠ a stop ask for 3nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 2s as UCB if allowed.(general force, tell me more) over 2nt response will bid a forcing 3dover 3h response will bid 4d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I presume 3D is not forcing here? If not, I follow the pathway that allows me to bid a forcing 3D. I don't want to bid 3S here followed by 3D. Apart from anything else, shouldn't 3S be a splinter? If I don't have a way to bid 3D forcing, I bid 3NT and tell partner I need a way to rebid my suit below 3NT and have it forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'm bidding 2 ♠ which shows a good hand with or without ♥ support. You have only 15 HCP, but have an excellent 7 card ♦ suit. It is a 5 loser hand which is a bit better playing strength than a lot of 16-18 point hands which you would jump rebid in ♦. There's no reason not to let that you have a strong hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Partner's 2♥ is forcing. 2 ♠ shows a good ♥ raise and 3♠ a stop ask for 3nt.This is not a bidding problem so much as a system problem. These agreements are basically unworkable and will often lead to problems such as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 The useful space principle says that the stopper ask needs more space than the strong raise. if p does not have a stopper we still need to negotiate the strain. P might have six hearts and a stopper. We might even want to ask for a stopper without gf strength. Or, as here, with a stopper ourselves. So 2s is just any hand that can't bid anything else and we can use 3s as the strong raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 For me, 2N is unambiguously forcing (and not necessarily balanced) so I don't have an issue here. With the OP's agreements I think I bid 3♣ intending to bid 3♠ over 3red assuming 2N is NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 If 2n is forcing what do you bid with kqxx-x-ajxxx-jxx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 If 2n is forcing what do you bid with kqxx-x-ajxxx-jxx ? I have to hold my nose and bid 3♦, the advantages of this approach come when I don't have to do this, reverse the honours in spades and clubs and I might bid 3♣ not showing extras and limited by the failure to bid 2N. Clearly you can only do this in a weak NT context, as otherwise what do you do with a 4243 12 count ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Well in a weak nt system I either bid 2NT with the hand I showed, or I play NFB in which case my hand is a pass. Playing strong NT I rebid a nonforcing 2NT with the weak balanced hand as well as with the balanced hand, and use 2♠ with the awkward strong hands (including those that would like to make a forcing 3♦ bid) but also with those that would like to make a nonforcing 3♣ bid. But maybe 2♠ should be reserved for strong hands so 3♣ is nonforcing? I am not even sure what is standard, help! If 2NT is a generic strong hand, then presumably 2♠ is a generic weak hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 There was a topic a couple of years ago on expert forum, I think the consensous was that 2NT not only was nonforcing, it didn't even require a stopper since you will be stuck with 12-14 balanced otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'd bid 3NT because that seems to me the most likely game, and I want to protect partner's ♠Qx or Jxx. Of course if I could bid a forcing 3♦ I'd prefer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 If 2NT is a generic strong hand, then presumably 2♠ is a generic weak hand? No it's a heart raise F3♥ for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I'd bid 3NT because that seems to me the most likely game, and I want to protect partner's ♠Qx or Jxx. Of course if I could bid a forcing 3♦ I'd prefer that.I was about to suggest 3NT myself and to say that partner is quite likely to have a spade card as there has been no raise. I am surprised that someone called Bob did not choose it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 hate to give up on slam so soon, pard needs just a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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