eagles123 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 So I had the pleasure of playing with Cyberyeti in one of the Norfolk clubs last night, which was fun apart from the fact I managed to butcher virtually every board - sorry dude :rolleyes: anyway I thought this was quite an interesting hand, how do people bid this [hv=pc=n&s=sakq97ha5dqj32ck7&n=sj6hj93dak9764cj9]133|200[/hv] North deals, EW silent throughout. It's MP how do people bid this? Thanks Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 This can't be answered without defining methods. For example, some pairs could open a weak 2♦ as North. I suspect that treatment would be rare in the UK, and is far from universal in NA. Some pairs might deem the N hand an opening bid, especially if they play a strong club method. Personally, I would never open 1♦ since I don't give much due to the 3 jacks. Then S should open 1♠, rather than distort via 2N, even with an attack of matchpointitis What does N bid? 2♦ seems clear unless it is a form of drury! Let's assume a basically natural approach: P 1♠2♦ ? I see no way for S to discover that key spade J. To me, S just drives to 6♦. East may not lead a club. He may lead the Ace. N may be able to guess well on a low club lead. We may lose the first 2 tricks. I see no plausible means of arriving at any viable slam played by South absent a grotesque 2N opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted February 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 sorry I didn't mean how should I/we have bid it - I'm asking how people bid it using their own methods Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 In practice, probably 2♦-2♠; 3♦-5♦. Hm, I should probably discuss with my partner whether 4♦ by responder would be game-invitational or ace-asking... In theory, it could go 2♦-2♥;2♠*-2NT;3♣**-4♦;4NT***-6♦ * No Shortness** Maximum*** 2 Keycards, no Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Since we play Flannery, a weak 2 ♦ is unavailable as a bid. Also, we play old fashioned 2/1 where if responder rebids his suit it's passable. So after P-P-1 ♠-P- ? 2 ♦ Since the hand has already passed, a better description than a forcing NT. With worst ♦ and 9-11, I think a forcing NT is right. 4 ♦ Minorwood. 3 ♦ would have been a raise with extras. 4 NT 2 keys without the Q. 6 ♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suokko Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Favorable this could fit to 3♦ opening but no 2♦ weak option for me. After figuring that 3 side jacks is not an opening hand biding might go. P-1♠;2♦-2♥:3♥-3NT 2♦: "weak two"2♥: inv+ relay3♥: Max without shortness3NT: Not looking for possible wrong sided perfect fit slam without shortness and only 27-29 hcp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 We agreed beforehand to our opening bids being pretty light, and as this was rule of 19 I opened it 1. Our weak 2 would have been 5-9 and I seriously considered it, but as we'd failed to discuss our rebids over 2N opposite a weak 2 (oops) I opted to open 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 p=1s2d then hard to stop short of 6d perhaps the key is not to pass and then bid 2d on a junky hand so pard knows you got real stuff here. if you open 1d you are never going to stop short of some slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLimprove Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 2D-PASS-4D-PASS-5D-PASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamJson Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'm afraid to say that I have come across at least one BBO player who would find this easy and would probably rebid 6NT as south, almost as if he could see all four hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Clearly the best contract is 6♠/6N by S, is it possible to get there with confidence ? Not if S does the asking, as it's a terrible contract opposite ♠xx rather than Jx, the odds of the spades behaving are lower than those of a non low club lead or the Q being right. Can N ask on his horrible collection and read the answers ? With my normal partner we'd start: 1♦-2♠(single suited rock crusher or Hxxx♦ HHxxx♠ H=AKQ and 12+) Now there is no point in keycarding in diamonds from N's pov as he will know S has Qxxx(x) after his next bid and he can keycard in spades. The problem is telling the difference between S's actual hand and KQxxx, Ax, QJxx, AK where a heart lead dooms all the slams and you need spades 3-3 to make 6♠/6N on a non heart. I don't think there's room for S to show both club honours after 1♦-2♠-3♦ and then check keycards. So this goes into the "too difficult for a natural system" file for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 For example, some pairs could open a weak 2♦ as North. I suspect that treatment would be rare in the UKWeak 2♦ is quite normal in the UK. With Gosh13 it might go3♦-3♠4♠-4NT5♦-6♠ With Shogi it might go2♣*-2♠ // *weak with diamonds, or strong2NT*-4NT** // *maximum, no fit **RKC diamonds5♥-6♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 2♦-2NT (asking feature)-3♦(denying feature)-5♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 2♦-2NT (asking feature)-3♦(denying feature)-5♦ Disastrous at MPs, at least bid 3N and get a trivial 430 (460 on a club lead) regardless of partner's spade holding and how the spades behave rather than 400/420. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Playing Acol with a multi I pass as North (nowhere near a 1D bid for me, 3D might be possible if I had a singleton - but not here).Then:Pass, 1S2D, 4D5D, 6D (6NT? / Pass?) Inelegant and the contract is wrong-sided. I would consider passing 5D, but that will score badly compared with those in 3NT, so I would probably reject that. I would consider bidding 6NT, influenced by pairs scoring (but if 6D is making it will score well) and worry about the clubs, but I suspect I am being influenced by having seen the opposition hands. I'm pretty sure that we are playing in 6D by North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valardent Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 In the system I play, it goes very smoothly : P P 1♠ PP 2♣* P 3♦** *(5/6♦ 9-11 hcp) **fit GFP 4♦ P 6♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Via combination of unpopular methods which we happen to use, we would accidentally push the board with Helene, right-siding 6D. P*-1S *Opening 2♦ is taken for something else.1NT**-3D **NT still forcing by passed hand, planning to rebid 3♦ (10-12 good 6 bagger).5D-6D. Since the 3D Jump-shift might on occasion be made on a mere fragment, the implication of the 5D bid is strong enough for Opener to bid 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorsharp Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Very interesting! I would open a weak 2D N and S responds 2NT, fetching a JOgust rebid of 3S = 6-card D, great weak 2. Then S bids 4C RKB(D) then 6D. Rule: 4C by responder directly or on next round is RKB for 2 or 3 level preemptor's suit. (Over 3-opener I play a modified downward RKB) If 2D is systemically Micro-Polynesian, etc. I PASS then 2D/1S, Now South rebids 4NT RKB(D) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorsharp Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Sorry, I meant to suggest P - 1S - 2D - 4D Wormwood, not 4NT RKB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorsharp Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Sorry, I meant to suggest P - 1S - 2D - 4D Wormwood, not 4NT RKB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Playing weak 2♦ I would still pass. I hate strong weak 2♦. So:pass-1♠ 2♦-4NT5♥-6♦passSeriously if LHO leads small from A♣ then congratulate her when you play low.If RHO has AQ bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 p - 1♣ 16+ 2♦1 - 2♥22N3 - 3♦ 44♦5 - 6♦6 1) 5+♦, 8-10 points (did not open)2) Control Ask3) 3, A=2, K=14) Trump ask5) 2 top honors, 6th. Looking at our hand, partner must have AK♦6) This can go down only if E leads a club toward an AQ holding, or opponents can ruff the first trick and make the club Ace. Opponents know only that North has 2 top honors, but not which ones and that he holds an Ace and a King, one of which must be a diamond. South's minimum strength is known and he chose to look for a diamond fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masonbarge Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 So I had the pleasure of playing with Cyberyeti in one of the Norfolk clubs last night, which was fun apart from the fact I managed to butcher virtually every board - sorry dude :rolleyes: anyway I thought this was quite an interesting hand, how do people bid this [hv=pc=n&s=sakq97ha5dqj32ck7&n=sj6hj93dak9764cj9]133|200[/hv] North deals, EW silent throughout. It's MP how do people bid this? Thanks Eagles 2♦-2NT-3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 2♣-2NT (weak 2 in diamonds or a strong hand - Ogust)3♠-6♦ (maximum with a good suit - At worst on the club finesse, unless spades split horribly) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zillahandp Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Amazing replys from results merchants, lots of them because seeing all the hands you know 6nt by s is on does not make it right. At mps and modern acol the bidding might go1nt p 2c p 2d p 3c extended stayman 3d 3nt Or 1d p 2nt jacoby p 3d p 4d 4nt reply p bid showing whatever Blckwd 6d, then 6nts is a serious option to protect kc and at mp scoringOr p p 1s p 3d p 4nt then as aboveOr p p 1s p 2d p 4d p 5d p p pIn short it depends on a series of judgements none of which are wrong, dont beat yourself up Norfolk player. If I were two tops up and four boards to go 3nt for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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