kgr Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 IMPs; teams[hv=pc=n&s=s2had642ckqt86542&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1s(5%2BcS)p2c(Club%20or%203cS)p2h(4cH%2C%20any%20strength%2C%20forcing)p3c(GF%2C%206cC)p3d(4th%20suit)p4c(prob%20stronger%20then%205C)p4d(control)p4h(control)p4s(control)p5cppp]133|200[/hv]Do you agree with the bidding of this hand? :- 2♣: 2♣ followed by 3♣ is GF; A direct jump to 3♣ would be 6c♣ with invite values.5♣ would be to play 3♦ of partner was 4th suit, asking more info.4♣ denies a ♦-stop, and probably denies 2c♠, 3c♥; 5♣ instead of 4♣ would have been minimal values Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 The auction is ok, except if 5C instead of 4C showes min value,why dont you bid this? You have min. values for a game force.If partner needs 2KC+Q for the slam, he can assume those. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Thank you for the replies.I added partners hand in the diagram belowIMPs; teams[hv=pc=n&n=sAq643hk643da75cA&s=s2had642ckqt86542&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1s(5%2BcS)p2c(Club%20or%203cS)p2h(4cH%2C%20any%20strength%2C%20forcing)p3c(GF%2C%206cC)p3d(4th%20suit)p4c(prob%20stronger%20then%205C)p4d(control)p4h(control)p4s(control)p5cppp]233|200[/hv]Do you agree with the bidding of this hand? :- 2♣: 2♣ followed by 3♣ is GF; A direct jump to 3♣ would be 6c♣ with invite values.5♣ would be to play 3♦ of partner was 4th suit, asking more info.4♣ denies a ♦-stop, and probably denies 2c♠, 3c♥; 5♣ instead of 4♣ would have been minimal valuesIt is clear for North to continue to six with the singleton Club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 100% agree up to 4c at this point your options are 5c or 6c. no blame after this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I added partners hand in the diagram below Yet another case where 4♣ minorwood would be helpful. It is clear for North to continue to six with the singleton Club?The singleton was an ace and as I understand 3♣ in context shows a powerful suit interested in a club slam. If South required genuine club support he would have rebid 2NT (or perhaps 3♦) not 3♣ at least the way I play 2/1. Over 3♦ South denied either values in diamonds by refusing to bid 3NT or he must have a huge hand. He also denied interest in the majors. Where are South values to force to game? Does North really expect two losers in clubs? Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 After showing clubs and gf hand via 3♣, I would just bid 5♣ over 3♦. There are too many things to learn by asking to opener, and there are too many things that can go wrong during this process. It is better to try to give an idea of my hand to pd imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Yet another case where 4♣ minorwood would be helpful.Meh, Kickback Turbo is better B-) Btw, partner should bid 6 imo, he never showed any extras (or did he?) and he has 3 Aces. What more does he need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 of course north has to bid slam. south has overbid if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Meh, Kickback Turbo is better B-) Btw, partner should bid 6 imo, he never showed any extras (or did he?) and he has 3 Aces. What more does he need?4♠ showed extras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Yet another case where 4♣ minorwood would be helpful.North shows 2 without the club queen. Over to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 4♠ showed extrasWhy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 4♠ showed extrasWhy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Why?Ok, maybe not. sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 North shows 2 without the club queen. Over to you.5♣Frankly that looks easy to me. It might go down on a diamond lead or it could possibly make an overtrick, but we can not stop below game anyway. What I know is that opposite 3 aces I want to be in slam and otherwise, since I am in a game forcing situation, I do not want to play anything but game in clubs. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Meh, Kickback Turbo is better B-) Btw, partner should bid 6 imo, he never showed any extras (or did he?) and he has 3 Aces. What more does he need?Probably of 8th club of S (that doesn't know p has K of heart). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 N was hoping you would guess he had a club even? He continued bidding 4S for what reason and should shoot 6C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 However i think there is a way to escape off of this situation: before 5♣ bidding, having partner show two Aces by cue bid, doesn't cost anything to bid 4NT because now partner with 0 Ace bids 5♣ (for pass) otherwise you gets to slam ,having the rest of information (=partner has shown only 2 Aces over 3) in this (indirect) way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Oh dear, I disagree quite a lot with some of the posts in this thread.Yes, I agree that minorwood is an improvement over awful slam bidding. But it's not nearly as good as good slam bidding! I just don't agree that you should give up on finding slam opposite a hand with two keycards and extras.Meanwhile, if you play all cues as mandatory over 4C, then you might as well play minorwood - you aren't going to find out if partner has extras anyway. I am not sure I like jumping to 5C either - at least, we will never get to slam off two diamond tricks by bidding 4C. Switch the pointed suits, and you could talk me into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=saq643hK643da75ca&s=s2had642ckqt86542&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1s(5%2BcS)p2c(Club%20or%203cS)p2h(4cH%2C%20any%20strength%2C%20forcing)p3c(GF%2C%206cC)p3d(4th%20suit)p4c(prob%20stronger%20then%205C)p4d(control)p4h(control)p4s(control)p5cppp]300|200|IMPs; teamsDo you agree with the bidding of this hand? :2♣ followed by 3♣ is GF; A direct jump to 3♣ would be 6c♣ with invite values.5♣ would be to play3♦ of partner was 4th suit, asking more info.4♣ denies a ♦-stop, and probably denies 2c♠, 3c♥; 5♣ instead of 4♣ would have been minimal values[/hv] I like the auction until 5♣ but now, I agree with Wank that North should try one for the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer_ Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think the South bidding is ok. This is probably more of partnership agreement issue i.e. how strong a hand is needed to bid 4c rather than 5c direct. North passing 5C is pretty weak. With AAAK he should be more than happy to put down his hand as dummy in slam. Even if there is a club loser, it will probably be the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Perhaps 4NT bidding could be seen how a "thin thinking" but save all what is said untill 4♠ (with optimal result as "last train for bidding"). The concept of bidding is don't last any possibility (here 4NT) in critical situations (that doesn't do damn yet if slam is not=5♣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 I can't see what the absence of minorwood has got to do with anything. The problem is not the inability to ask for aces, it is that North had a hand that should have been looking for a grand, and passed 5C. (I just gave the North hand to Jallerton and over 5C he said 'well I'm not going to pass am I' followed by bidding 5H and passing 6C) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardrls Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 This deal obviously sucks as to fit. As is the case with most very strong hands with suck fit, the bidding is always going to difficult and iffy, no matter what bidding system or conventions or agreements are in effect. I frankly would not have bid four hearts in this bidding sequence, simply choosing to bid five clubs, instead, and crossing my fingers to find a decent club split among the defenders. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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