diana_eva Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Got fried on this one, when our table was allowed to play 2♠ while the other table bid and made 3NT. Anything we could have done differently? [hv=sn=diana_eva&s=S7H73DAJ9742CA982&wn=vagabond3&w=ST94HQJ62DQ3CJ763&nn=muppe&n=SKQ62HK95DK865CK4&en=ctuncok&e=SAJ853HAT84DTCQT5&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=1SP2H!(transfer%20to%202S%2C%20doens%27t%20promise%20spades)P2SPPP&p=DAD3D5DTD2DQDKS3CQC2C3CKC4CTCAC6C9CJS2C5SQSAS7S4S5D4S9SKS6S8D9STHQH5H4H3HJHKHAH7&c=8]399|300[/hv] Edited February 4, 2015 by diana_eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarletv Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 [hv=sn=diana_eva&s=S7H73DAJ9742CA982&wn=vagabond3&w=ST94HQJ62DQ3CJ763&nn=muppe&n=SKQ62HK95DK865CK4&en=ctuncok&e=SAJ853HAT84DTCQT5&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=1SP2H!(transfer%20to%202S%2C%20doens%27t%20promise%20spades)P2SPPP&p=DAD3D5DTD2DQDKS3CQC2C3CKC4CTCAC6C9CJS2C5SQSAS7S4S5D4S9SKS6S8D9STHQH5H4H3HJHKHAH7&c=8]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Thanks Scarlet. My net failed while I was posting the diagram :( Fixed OP now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix214 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Do not know what system are they playing, but should ask about the meaning of the 2♥ bid a bit more. I know that me and my pard play it like in Ambra(2♥ = raise to 2♠ or GF with diamonds). They should have it somewhere along the same lines as well. If that is the case S might decide to bid something on the second round, 2NT or 3♦. Of course this runs the risk of going down for a number, if W has a strong hand, but that is a risk you have to take. Also note that N most likely has a spade stack so even if he has points, he will not find a bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I think South just about has enough for a prebalance 3D after 2S. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I would not bid on the South hand. RHO has an opening bid and LHO has enough to respond, so game is unlikely. If it is right to prebalance, it is a part score battle, and the likely upside is 6 IMPs. But if you are wrong, you could go for a number opposite air. Having not acted on the first round, I would not do so now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I bid 2♦ on the first round, and I feel very strongly about this. You can't pass with this much playing strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I bid 2♦ on the first round, and I feel very strongly about this. You can't pass with this much playing strength.Bidding on the first round certainly makes more sense than passing on the first round and bidding on the second round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Do not know what system are they playing, but should ask about the meaning of the 2♥ bid a bit more. I know that me and my pard play it like in Ambra(2♥ = raise to 2♠ or GF with diamonds). They should have it somewhere along the same lines as well. If that is the case S might decide to bid something on the second round, 2NT or 3♦. Of course this runs the risk of going down for a number, if W has a strong hand, but that is a risk you have to take. Also note that N most likely has a spade stack so even if he has points, he will not find a bid. They were playing some strong club system. I didn't think to ask whether 1♠ was limited, nor to ask them to elaborate on 2♥. I was very tempted to bid 1st time, then once I decided not to, I continued to pass. I can see how my pd had nothing to say on that sequence, so this one was on me. Dunno if we'd reach game unless I bid first time. Ah well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Think I agree with 2♦ at the first opportunity. It maybe gets to be a more interesting problem if the diamonds are weaker and the clubs a little stronger, say: xxxA97xxxAJ98 I must admit I am starting to get chicken livered then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Hi, #1 2D direct is an option, but Pass is certainly not wrong, it would be clear, if partner would have been dealer, but with the given position I dont think either decision is 100% #2 Given the colors, a prebal. is also dangerous, to put it mildly. I am sure the xfer can contain inv.+ values and since they play a limited system. In short: If you always keep your 2 level overcalls up to strength, this is just bad luck. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The south hand is not a light overcall, it's a normal one. I think it is bad hand evaluation to think that it is "not up to strength", it has aces, a pretty good suit, 6-4 shape, even the right singleton. It is the kind of hand you are thrilled if your partner bids 3N with, you're happy if he competes in diamonds, you're happy if he doubles them, you're even happy if he makes some kind of responsive double. You are not happy to pass throughout, stuff like this happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 The south hand is not a light overcall, it's a normal one. I think it is bad hand evaluation to think that it is "not up to strength", it has aces, a pretty good suit, 6-4 shape, even the right singleton. It is the kind of hand you are thrilled if your partner bids 3N with, you're happy if he competes in diamonds, you're happy if he doubles them, you're even happy if he makes some kind of responsive double. You are not happy to pass throughout, stuff like this happens. OK. I guess I'm still a bean counter. I thought it would be a light overcall and chickened out given the vul and unknown partner. Thanks all for the replies, very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 This hand is a good example of the advantage of not playing weak jump overcalls at red - by playing 3♦ as a hand that would open 1♦ and rebid Three, partner will give you more leeway when you overcall 2♦. The real truth is that, even before I had changed to the agreement above, I had become too scared a make a weak jump at red more than about twice a year. Anyway, I would overcall 2♦ regardless of system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Immediate 2♦ overcall is a good place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamJson Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Looks like a routine 2D over all to me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamJson Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Damn those autocorrects. Overcall not over all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbl118 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 I would bid 2d. It's worth noting that 3nt by South has a decent chance to go down, depending on the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagitt Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Although it could be overcalled with 2♦ in the beginning, it is very necessary to ask what the 2♥ bid is..If it is a real suit I would double to show the other suits and then my partner can decide what to do. The silence after the 1♠ bid can be compensated this way. But my way is to overcall as 2♦ then to bid 3♣ if possible.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 x xx KQ9xxx KJxx I would not overcall 2dx xx AJ9xxx Axxx I would overcall 2d the difference to me is the two quick tricksin case the bidding becomes confrontational. I would not chicken out if I heldx xx Axxxxx AJ9x:) The aces make a monstrous difference when p has to make gamedecisions and the opps lacking those aces will find it more difficult to penalty xus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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