broze Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=s72haj83dkjt5ck94&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1d1sd2s]133|200[/hv] Scoring is MP, w/w. Although I'd welcome responses about teams approach as well. Just a bit of a sanity check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Pass. We're unlikely to miss much if P can't bid again, esp in the protective seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 interesting problem Kinda think that 3H should show this kind of hand - a weak no trump with 4 hearts that wants to compete at MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Letting them play in 2♠ on an 8 card fit is bad policy at mp's and I'm the only one that knows we have a fit. 3♥ doesn't promise extras, double, 3♠ or 4♥ does. You can have awkward in-between values hands but imo, since you can get 1/2 of those right this handles the highest frequency and as long as partner is on the same page we often defend 3♠ instead of 2 and can set up our defense as soon as we see dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Easy 3♥. Defending 2 of a major at matchpoints stinks anyway. Gotta at least try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Good-bad 2NT + 3♥ follow up. Oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 deleted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Probably best to play lebensohl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Unless you play some fancy stuff like the ones mentioned before me I think you better bid 3♥. Being white the chances of getting doubled are not that high and if we don't act now partner might pass with 8-9 hcp's and a hand where we could compete. Granted, a pass might fetch another double from partner or 3♦ but a pass is also likely. Playing imp's it could be a little less obvious to compete but at this vulnerability I'd also take my chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 it would be an obvious 3h bid at any form of scoring. that it's white at matchpoints makes any other bid terrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevahound Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=s72haj83dkjt5ck94&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1d1sd2s]133|200[/hv] Scoring is MP, w/w. Although I'd welcome responses about teams approach as well. Just a bit of a sanity check. 3♥ at any scoring and any colors. How else is partner ever to know we have a fit? Defending 2♠ when both opps have bid spades is a serious loser. Partner will know that and strive to protect, but will never dream you have four hearts with two honors and a normal opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 2NT=competing in an unspecified suit <15ptsSome will say it's the wrong way round.....oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 [hv=pc=n&n=s72haj83dkjt5ck94&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1d1sd2s]133|200|Scoring is MP, w/w. Although I'd welcome responses about teams approach as well. Just a bit of a sanity check.[/hv] IMO 3♥ = 10. Pass = 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 If you're ever going to play good/bad 2N play it here Competing is obvious; bidding 3♥ isn't. Maybe others can judge how 3♥ shows the actual hand or a K + a stiff better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Maybe others can judge how 3♥ shows the actual hand or a K + a stiff better. you have to bump everything up a level. 3h bids are now 4h bids. 4h bids are now cues. you might go off in 4h sometimes, but you've given lho a problem too and, obviously, you have less space now so bidding isn't supposed to be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 you have to bump everything up a level. 3h bids are now 4h bids. 4h bids are now cues. you might go off in 4h sometimes, but you've given lho a problem too and, obviously, you have less space now so bidding isn't supposed to be perfect. And I suppose a 4♥ call cues now? I mean if you want to get all tactical and bid over the level that's ok but I like my plus scores at mps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Agree that I would bid 2NT Good/Bad here. Without that agreement I would pass for the reasons mentioned by Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 in 1-2 seat I would not have opened to begin with and then be looking to balance or defend with no risk of getting too high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 in 1-2 seat I would not have opened to begin with and then be looking to balance or defend with no risk of getting too high Yeah I guess we're old-fashioned. I'd pass the opening too. If I did open, I'd pass the 2 Spades with my weak hand. If my partner has game-going points, I'd expect him to bid again, and I'd then support the Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Phil, I think you will also find this pretty funny.I was going to post something like "you can allow yourself to get pushed one level higher in competition than you would bid constructively". Then I started getting this feeling of deja-vu, and...indeed! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 The principle of fast arrival dictates we bid 3h here and not go through some otherslower way of arriving there. It really is important to be able to distinguish btn minimum opening hands with and w/o 4 card heart support. There is little danger ofbeing x here since overcalls have even wider ranges than opening bids and the neg x hand is still unlimited. My preferred use is 2n to show a invitational hand with4 hearts and x to show extra values without 4 hearts. While this gives up a natural2n call that seems to be a rather small price to pay for major suit accuracy and apenalty x of 2s in front of the overcaller is usually a poor idea anyway. There is little doubt that we will get too high sometimes but since down 2 undoubledis mostly going to be better than letting the opps play 2S. Please note this is whenNOT VULNERABLE. The question of playing this same system VULNERABLE becomes a tad morespeculative. The odds of X are still small for the reasons listed above. At IMPS wherethe risk of down 2 vs the opps making 2s is rather small it makes sense to use the abovesystem since the reward can be quite dramatic if p has long hearts. At MP the risk ofdown 2 for a really bad score is still something to be considered when competing withcompletely minimal hands. Your partnerships must decide if the risk of down two (takinga probably poor result and making it worse) is worth the extra potential reward of notonly bidding occasional heart games but pushing the opps to the 3 level and therefore defending 1 level higher than most tables. Most will agree (see wank) that using the aggressive approach is still best but there will be some that do not want opener to make any other bids with minimum hands..... Life is like that:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Just one thing. Not playing a lebensohl or good-bad gadget, I think 3♥ should still be bid (unless pard is dead serious about your bids). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyunuS Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I pass in these situations. To me, it doesn't seem worth it to bid when partner only has ~7+ and you only have ~12-13 points. I always feel like bidding here will show a stronger hand than you have. So then if partner has a good hand then he'll raise to 4♥ and you'll fail, but if partner has a bad hand then you likely can't even make 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Ayunus: you're forgetting 3♥ might push opps into a losing 3♠. That compensates for some hopeless games from time to time. Well, statistically at least :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I played for long that partner's double does not guarantee 4 hearts at all, so this would be a double, with 3♥ promising 5+♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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