karlabsl Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 As best as I remember... my RHO bid 1 ♦. I had 4 hearts A, Q, xx., 3 spades xxx, 4 clubs K, xxx. And 2 diamonds, A x. I doubled. My LHO bid 1 ♠My partner had 6 spades, A, xxxxx. 2 ♥ xx, 4♣Axxx, 1 ♦ the jack She doubled. Was that correct? I was supposed to know that was penalty? And my LHO took her bid? I thought my p had 4 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 As best as I remember... my RHO bid 1♦. I doubled with xxx AQxx Ax Kxxx. My LHO bid 1 ♠ My partner had Axxxxx xx J Axxx. She doubled. Was that correct? I was supposed to know that was penalty? And my LHO took her bid? I thought my p had 4 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 The old style was that 1♦-x-1♠-x =penalty, 4 spades. 2♠=natural, 5 spades I recently heard, though, that more and more experts go back to play X as four hearts, just like you said. Originally, responders used to psyche these bids with hands like xxxxxxAxxxxxx assuming that opponents have a big spade fit and trying to convince them that they don't. Against these people, penalty doubles would come in very handy, and you could even differentiate between 4- and 5-card suits, something you cannot do if had gone, say, 1♦-x-3♦-?? But since so many people switched to penalty doubles, people stopped psyching these bids and now people wonder if it's not better to differentiate between heart length instead (x=4 hearts, 2♥=5 hearts). The logical question is then, will people start going back to psyching, causing a resurgence of penalty doubles? Time will tell. With your partner's hand I'd just bid 4 spades. It's what I'd bid without the 1♠ bid, it is what I'll bid now. It is probably a decent contract even with spades 4-0 (I did not look at partner's hand yet). edit: now I did look at partner's hand, and I see that it would be a hopeless contract with spades 4-0, but I also see that spades are very likely not 4-0 since they have a lot of diamonds :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 There are times we really really REALLY want something to be a penalty double. Overthe long run the take out meaning will carry much more weight. Sure we will miss somephantom penalties (are the opps really going to play 1sx (hugely doubtful) but by using themuch more (likely to occur) :negative: meaning we can help differentiate between our major suit replies much more accurately. The take out xer does not have to have spades they could be on their way to a wide varietyof contracts. the 1s bid can be natural in which case our playing in spades could be in serious jeopardy but the real reason the :negative: meaning will normally work better is thatthe 1s bid is forcing and we will almost always get a later opportunity to show our spade suit. Pass for now and see how the bidding develops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 The double of 1S is still for penalties in most of the world so double is OK in that sense.Usually double shows four spades, with 5 or 6 just bid 2S, 3S or 4S. However if partner really has no spade pips it might have worked better to double and then bid spades to show more high cards and less good spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I had ♠ x x x ♥ A Q x x ♦ A x ♣ K x x xMy partner had ♠ A x x x x x ♥ x x ♦ J ♣ A x x x(1♦) Double (1♠) Double Was her double correct? Without special agreement, partner's double usually shows 4 ♠. IMO, It's OK for her to have more ♠. It's also OK to agree to play it as T/O, instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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