Free Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sha3daj3caq875432]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Your RHO opens in 1st seat with 1♠. What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 5C.Double is idiotic. What do you do over xHs?What is the point of 2C? Why give the opponents a chance to exchange information?Pass is a bid not even a beginner would suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 2♣ for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 5C, followed by double if they bid on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Not only double but 2/3Sp, 2NT (unusual) - all go to the trash can. It is obvious that the only thing I can bid is clubs. The quesion is - how many? 5C is too committal. Why not 3 or 4C? I too am willing to go 5C when LHO bids 4Sp (and double 5S), but any help from partner will send me where I'd really like to be - in 6C. 5C may even go down, and I'll be in 3 or 4. On the other hand, when I bid the clubs slowly, I'm more likely to play 5C doubled to make :P I have a partner who should have a say too. I am not weak, so I don't have to close the bidding trying to guess the contract myself. Even 2C is a much better bid than 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 3S = stop ask.Clubs are not so good but if I don't get doubled I give this a shot. If they double, I run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 2♣ for me... agree. I doubt the auction will die here. Let's start from 2C. We may have slam, we may have only 2 or 3C, we may have 3N. Why rush if we know it is going to be a bidding war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I must say 3NT doesn't come to mind for me... unless pard has club king and spade stop, it is going to be quite the struggle. Of course the club king can be onside (if pd doesn't have it), but it might be hard to get to dummy to finesse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 3S = stop ask.Clubs are not so good but if I don't get doubled I give this a shot. If they double, I run. Nooooo. If you bid 3S,then dont run from 3N if pd bids it and gets doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 3S = stop ask.Clubs are not so good but if I don't get doubled I give this a shot. If they double, I run. Nooooo. If you bid 3S,then dont run from 3N if pd bids it and gets doubled. What about SOS XX ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 3S = stop ask.Clubs are not so good but if I don't get doubled I give this a shot. If they double, I run. Nooooo. If you bid 3S,then dont run from 3N if pd bids it and gets doubled. What about SOS XX ? Hehe, theoretically, yes. But in reality, I doubt you discussed this |XX with pd and it is very likely pd will misunderstand you or he read you correctly but you thought he misread, or you know he read it correctly and but he thought you dont know he read it correctly... Let's keep it simple and dont test pd:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 2♣, only because I dislike the alternatives more. Double is a close 2nd, but the hand is a little awkward and I never seem to be able to convince pard that I have 8 clubs. 3♠ is possible, but if 3N gets doubles, will I sit? I'm not bidding 5♣ with 3 aces Ron, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdulmage Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 5♣, enough said. If they try to go 5♠, you have a chance to double them for a sure defeat now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 5C, pressure bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I found the options funny, is somebody going to vote for something else than "other" ?I think 2♣, pass and dbl are really bad options.I'm between 5♣ and 6♣ because with some luck in dummy this hand is very playable in a slam at least we don't have 2 quick losers and any red suit king can be fantastic. So I vote 6♣ -optimistic- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I found the options funny, is somebody going to vote for something else than "other" ?I think 2♣, pass and dbl are really bad options.I'm between 5♣ and 6♣ because with some luck in dummy this hand is very playable in a slam at least we don't have 2 quick losers and any red suit king can be fantastic. So I vote 6♣ -optimistic- You wont be happy if you find dummy with sth like xxx,xxx,KQTxxx,x. What is the point to rush? If you can make 6C, it is based on a fit, which implies the auction is unlikely to die with 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 void A3 AJ3 AQ875432 Fly, "You won't be happy if you find dummy with" qxxxxxxxxQxxK The hand will likely be passed out in 2C. How are you going to explain +150 to partners who have a score of -600? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 void A3 AJ3 AQ875432 Fly, "You won't be happy if you find dummy with" qxxxxxxxxQxxK The hand will likely be passed out in 2C. How are you going to explain +150 to partners who have a score of -600? After 2C, LHO will raise to 2S or RHO will rebid 2S. You think 2C will be passed all round when they have 8 cards in spade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Fly it might surprise you to know that some people need values to bid, not just 13 cards. Give opener a slightly above minimum hand and as you have 22 points to the opps 18, and c are likely 3-2, the likelihood of the opps bidding again is very remote.Anyway if you want to be pedantic, add one extra S and one fewer red card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I am one of the two who voted for dbl. After dbl, I might compete up to 5♣, and dbl opp's contract of 5-level or higher unless pd gives me some useful info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 5C seems clear. Slam is possible, but unlikely. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 I think this is another example of a problem in which nobody really knows what the "right" bid is. Just make the call that you are comfortable with (which is hopefully the same call that your partner would expect you to make on a hand like this). For me that call is 2C. My style is to go slow on freak hands and try to learn enough information so that, in the not unlikely event that I have to make a high level decision, it will at least be an informed decision. I have no strong convictions that this approach is "best" - it's just the way I like to bid such hands. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Here's the full hand: [hv=d=e&v=b&n=sq5hqjt872dk84ck6&w=sk7643h9d7652cjt9&e=sajt982hk654dqt9c&s=sha3daj3caq875432]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] As you can see, 7♣ is laydown (on several finesses, so grand is a VERY poor slam). At my table, it went 1♠-Dbl-2♠-3♥;3♠-Dbl-all pass! We made this contract for +730, and our partners played some ♣ contract (I'm not sure, but I think it was only 5♣) IMO, 2♣ is the best bid, anything higher destroys the hand completely and Dbl is ridiculous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 There was a similar problem in a bidding quiz in the Dutch BF monthly. One of the experts said: "3♠. Not the ideal hand but this convention is so funny." (How do you translate "leuk"?) I voted "other" for the same reason. I can immagine some hands on which 3NT is makeable and 5♣ not. I can bid 5♣ after they bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Here's the full hand: .... As you can see, 7♣ is laydown (on several finesses, so grand is a VERY poor slam). At my table, it went 1♠-Dbl-2♠-3♥;3♠-Dbl-all pass! We made this contract for +730, and our partners played some ♣ contract (I'm not sure, but I think it was only 5♣) IMO, 2♣ is the best bid, anything higher destroys the hand completely and Dbl is ridiculous... Why is dble rediculous? I wouldn't dbl at the next turn. I would bid 4♣ over rho's 3♠, believe it or not. Then we would get to slam, not necessarily grand though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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