eagles123 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1sdp2h2spp3c]133|100[/hv] what sort of hand are you expecting for West here? MP if it matters many thanks Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 4H, 5C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 4♥ and 4+♣ about 6-8 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 well i had JxxAQxxxTxxxx p drove it to 4h because "we have a double fit" TxxxxAKxxAKTx oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 if you had 5 hearts you would just bid hearts again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 if you had 5 hearts you would just bid hearts again. tell that to my partner lol although she was just a random pickup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 This definitely shows equal/longer clubs and only four hearts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 well i had JxxAQxxxxTxxxx I'm guessing you didn't actually have that hand :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 4♥ and 4+♣ about 6-8give the guy a break he could have real crap at MP NV. With INV strength will do something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 4♥ and 4+♣ about 6-8I agree with Fluffy. When responding to a TOX with a minimum hand, it's often better to bid the higher ranking suit first so that you can rebid in the lower ranking suit and let partner still have a chance to preference between the suits without raising the level of the contract. That's especially so here where you 're already forced to bid at the 2 level. If advancer bids 2 ♣ initially, then the ♥ suit will be lost if opener rebids 2 ♠. Advancer's hand is just not good enough to introduce ♥s at the 3 level. A second call by advancer should indicate top of range if 4-4 or 5-4. It could also be slightly less if very shapely 5-5 or better. With 5 ♥s, advancer would simply rebid ♥s as doubler guarantees at least 3. Doubler does have a great 14, but it's still a 7 loser hand, so I'm passing 3 ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Terrible standards of pick up pards these days.. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I know it is fashion on BBF to say "I call TD" or "I am guessing you actually did not have this hand" or similar humorous ways, but you have 14 cards brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 sorry yes it was stiff diamond - edited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 When responding to a TOX with a minimum hand, it's often better to bid the higher ranking suit first so that you can rebid in the lower ranking suit With a minimum response to a TOX, say a 2-count, you would just bid once (as forced) and then shut up, surely. I'm guessing you're including all non-jump/1NT/2S-responses in "minimum", whereas this hand isn't really a minimum; it's right at the top strength-wise for a simple response, and has shape to boot. I'm not convinced that this sequence necessarily has to deny 5 hearts - if you had x Kxxxx xx Q10xxx would you not bid 2H then 3C? The rest of rmnka's post is spot on though, particularly the point that doubler should not be bidding anything else - there's no way the partnership has enough for game. 4H sounds like the kind of bid GIB likes to make. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 With a minimum response to a TOX, say a 2-count, you would just bid once (as forced) and then shut up, surely. I'm guessing you're including all non-jump/1NT/2S-responses in "minimum", whereas this hand isn't really a minimum; it's right at the top strength-wise for a simple response, and has shape to boot. I'm not convinced that this sequence necessarily has to deny 5 hearts - if you had x Kxxxx xx Q10xxx would you not bid 2H then 3C? The rest of rmnka's post is spot on though, particularly the point that doubler should not be bidding anything else - there's no way the partnership has enough for game. 4H sounds like the kind of bid GIB likes to make. ahydraYes, you normally make one bid with a bad hand. But bidding the higher suit is preparing for the possibility that you might forced to bid again. Say, for instance, in this auction that partner doubled again over 2 ♠ showing extras while you held the given hand albeit with only 2 points. Now you can 3 ♣ and let partner decide where to play. In this revised case, Partner's hand might be something like ♠ x ♥ AKx ♦ K6543 ♣ AJxx where partner elected to make a TOX rather than make a 2 level overcall on a terrible ♦ holding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 A TOX misdescribes the sahpe of the hand. Strictly speaking the hand promises 4H's.I would not X and wait to balance or defend, deciding that later in the auction. 2S is down 1 and a balance can likely drive opps higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 A TOX misdescribes the sahpe of the hand. Strictly speaking the hand promises 4H's.I would not X and wait to balance or defend, deciding that later in the auction. A TOX just promises that you can handle a heart response from P. That can be based on shape, significant extra strength, or something in between. I'd prefer an honour in my tripleton, but this still looks like a clear X to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyunuS Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I would expect 5+♣, 4+♥, longer clubs than hearts, otherwise he would have bid hearts first, and 6-10 HCP. With 11+ HCP and that distribution he would have had to bid 2♠ on the first response, and with fewer than 6, he wouldn't have bid again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 A TOX misdescribes the sahpe of the hand. Strictly speaking the hand promises 4H's. you are very wrong. i suggest you read a book as this is quite basic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 you are very wrong. i suggest you read a book as this is quite basic. I'm glad you're here Wank. You say things the way I think them, though I've learned to be a bit diplomatic over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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