4 bidding decisions in 1 hand

[AyunuS]

You are vul, they are not.

Express Free TCR 90 Automated Fun is the only indicator if the skill of the other players you have.

You are South with the following hand:

 

♠KJ73

♥J6

♦K6

♣K9642

 

East opens 1♥. What do you bid first?

 

Now assume you passed there. The bidding becomes this:

1♥ P 2♥ X

P ?

 

Now what do you bid?

 

Now say you bid 3♣ there, and the bidding becomes

 

1♥ P 2♥ X

P 3♣ 3♥ P

P ?

 

Now what do you bid?

 

Now say that you went for 3♠ there. The bidding is now

 

1♥ P 2♥ X

P 3♣ 3♥ P

P 3♠ P P

4♥ ?

 

And now what do you bid?

 

P.S.: Feel free to post here even if you're not a novice/beginner. Some of these are probably kinda hard for a novice/beginner to figure out what is the best choice.

[ahydra]

MPs or IMPs?

 

ahydra

[Hanoi5]

I would have: (1)passed, (2)bid 3♠, (3) I wouldn't have had your problem but would have done the same you did, (4)Double.

[mike777]

1) I double over 1h to get this hand off my chest, bidding early helps.

2) given op then now 3s but I would not have this issue.

[the hog]

Pass first unless playing Raptor.

4S over the x. To the 3S bidders, don't you play this as pre emptive with QJ to 6 or 7 and out?

[1eyedjack]

Pass over 1H. Double would get a different hand off my chest.

 

 

 

[Trinidad]

To the 3S bidders, don't you play this as pre emptive with QJ to 6 or 7 and out?

Yes, we do play something in that direction (though certainly not that restrictive or preemptive). Typically 5-9 with 5-6 spades.

 

But novices/beginners don't.

 

And since bridge is a team game, where the strength of the weakest link determines the result, the expert player picks the bids that his novice/beginner partner will be comfortable with, rather than do what he would be doing when playing with himself (pun intended).

 

Rik

[helene_t]

How can 3s be preemptive? LHO already made a limit bid so they probably don't need the bidding space. And I want to be able to bid a hand like this.

 

1: double. This is not pretty with two diamonds and obviously pass is the "correct" call but I think double works in the long run.

 

2 I would bid 3S. it is important to realise that 3c is something you would bid with zero points so when you have a decent hand in response to partners double you have to show it. Sometimes it is better to bid the opponents suit instead of jumping on a four card suit but here you are unlikely to have five spades since you didn't ocercall in the first round. 3c or 2S is not crazy, though. Some partners double light after opps raise so if opps are known to be sound bidders, we are unlikely to have game.

 

3: yes 3S.

 

4: double.

[the hog]

How can 3s be preemptive? LHO already made a limit bid so they probably don't need the bidding space. And I want to be able to bid a hand like this.

 

1: double. This is not pretty with two diamonds and obviously pass is the "correct" call but I think double works in the long run.

 

2 I would bid 3S. it is important to realise that 3c is something you would bid with zero points so when you have a decent hand in response to partners double you have to show it. Sometimes it is better to bid the opponents suit instead of jumping on a four card suit but here you are unlikely to have five spades since you didn't ocercall in the first round. 3c or 2S is not crazy, though. Some partners double light after opps raise so if opps are known to be sound bidders, we are unlikely to have game.

 

3: yes 3S.

 

4: double.

 

"And I want to be able to bid a hand like this."

So do I so I bid 4S

I want to bid 3S on 6 0r 7 and not much else.

 

To Trinidad, you appear to have a very low opinion of those who pose questions on this section of the site, They have the ability to learn. Don't treat people like idiots.

[ahydra]

1) Vul vs not, no aces, we are not a passed hand, so pass.

2) This is tricky. 3S might hang partner for prebalancing on a 10-count 3244 or similar, but if partner can be trusted to have 4 spades then I agree 3S is correct. Otherwise 3C. I'm not expecting to make game here - opponents have bid 1H-2H and partner will want to prebalance fairly aggressively over that auction, even at red.

3) 3S

4) X (though maybe pass at teams)

 

ahydra

[nekthen]

I would pass first time

After the double my bid is 4♠ I have a 7 loser hand with 4♠. I would hope my partner has the same. If he has a big ♦ hand he should be making 5 or even 6.

[Trump Echo]

It appears the hcps are about equal between the partnerships.

 

I'd pass the first round as you did.

 

I'd be tempted to bid 4 Clubs on the next round, but I'd probably temper that and bid 3 Clubs instead, expecting the ops to bid an aggressive 3 Hearts based on vulnerability. In other words, I'd bid like you did.

 

I assume my partner will pass and the ops will raise on balance.

 

Next I'd bid the 4 Spades. Not 3. This is aggressive but it is too likely the auction will die at 3 Spades and we may have game.

[ahydra]

I would pass first time

After the double my bid is 4♠ I have a 7 loser hand with 4♠. I would hope my partner has the same. If he has a big ♦ hand he should be making 5 or even 6.

 

Eight losers, no?

 

ahydra

[GrahamJson]

Pass on the first round. I'd redouble on the second round, but apparently that's not allowed, so 3H seems about right. Not many points but in all the right places.

[wank]

Obviously pathetic not to invite game

[nekthen]

Eight losers, no?

 

ahydra

 

 

2♠ 2♥ 1♦ 2♣ = 7 losers

[AyunuS]

Oh sorry I should have mentioned that it was matchpoints.

 

Here's the hand for anyone interested.

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[ahydra]

the hog will have comments on North's double in 3... 2... 1... (And East's 4H bid, I'd bet.)

 

ahydra

[MrAce]

You are vul, they are not.

Express Free TCR 90 Automated Fun is the only indicator if the skill of the other players you have.

You are South with the following hand:

 

♠KJ73

♥J6

♦K6

♣K9642

 

East opens 1♥. What do you bid first?

 

Now assume you passed there. The bidding becomes this:

1♥ P 2♥ X

P ?

 

Now what do you bid?

 

Now say you bid 3♣ there, and the bidding becomes

 

1♥ P 2♥ X

P 3♣ 3♥ P

P ?

 

Now what do you bid?

 

Now say that you went for 3♠ there. The bidding is now

 

1♥ P 2♥ X

P 3♣ 3♥ P

P 3♠ P P

4♥ ?

 

And now what do you bid?

 

P.S.: Feel free to post here even if you're not a novice/beginner. Some of these are probably kinda hard for a novice/beginner to figure out what is the best choice.

 

1-I would pass

2-I would bid 3♠ over take out double.

 

When pd make a T/O double of hearts, and you hold spades, your intention should be either of

• Bidding spades at the minimum level to discourage pd unless he has more tales to tell. You may even hold an awful hand.
• Bidding spades by a jump, to tell your pd that you are better than 2♠ bid but not have enough to bid game. It does not show 6-7 spades and a very weak hand, even for experts or WC players. I think Ron is confusing this with 1♥-X-pass-? auction, where you have enough space and luxury to make a simple response, a jump response and a double jump response (to show a long suit and a very weak hand, but not universally agreed) below the game.
• Bidding game in spades.

I would go with 2nd option and bid 3♠.

 

Imo your pd should not have doubled 2♥. He holds 3 hearts and that means his pd (us) has at most 2 hearts and expect his pd to balance if auction is about to die in 2♥ when it goes to him. But considering this is B/N forum, I have sympathy to your pd's action. He at least have a resemblance of his bid as oppose to some other partners Nuno keeps us busy with in more advanced forums.

[jdgalt]

If partner is strong enough to double, I owe him one bid. So I would probably jump to 3S on the second round, where you bid 3C (this shows 9-11, and I prefer the major because the double suggests it).

 

But there I stop, unless partner says something further. If they bid again, I expect to set them.

[the hog]

the hog will have comments on North's double in 3... 2... 1... (And East's 4H bid, I'd bet.)

 

ahydra

 

Quite right. The x just made me throw up my breakfast. Yes 4H is also a nausea inducing bid.

[the hog]

 

I think Ron is confusing this with 1♥-X-pass-? auction, where you have enough space and luxury to make a simple response, a jump response and a double jump response (to show a long suit and a very weak hand, but not universally agreed) below the game.

 

No, Ron is not confusing it. We played that 3 level bids were transfers. 3H = good long S, 3S = long S but weaker. Obviously I did not post this due to the nature of this forum. However I am surprised that a number of others answering the op's question do not play something similar.

[Vampyr]

However I am surprised that a number of others answering the op's question do not play something similar.

 

What surprises me is the number of initial passers. I usually double with this sort of hand (and so do my opponents, the only difference being that their partners never seem to bid diamonds.

[nige1]

You are vul, they are not. Express Free TCR 90 Automated Fun is the only indicator if the skill of the other players you have.

You are South with the following hand: ♠ K J 7 3 ♥ J 6 ♦ K 6 ♣ K 9 6 4 2

East opens 1♥. What do you bid first?

Now assume you passed there. The bidding becomes this:

1♥ P 2♥ X

P ?

Now what do you bid?

Now say you bid 3♣ there, and the bidding becomes

1♥ P 2♥ X

P 3♣ 3♥ P

P ?

Now what do you bid?

Now say that you went for 3♠ there. The bidding is now

1♥ P 2♥ X

P 3♣ 3♥ P

P 3♠ P P

4♥ ?

And now what do you bid?

P.S.: Feel free to post here even if you're not a novice/beginner. Some of these are probably kinda hard for a novice/beginner to figure out what is the best choice.

IMO...

1. After RHO opens (1♥): Pass = 10. Double = 8. 2♣ = 7. 1♠ = 6.
2. After partner doubles (2♥): 3♥ (game interest) = 10. 4♠ = 9. 3♠ = 8. 2♣ = 5.2
3. After LHO bids (3♥): 4♠ = 10. 3♠ = 8.
4. After RHO bids (4♥): Double (Competitive) = 10. 4♠ = 8.

[MrAce]

What surprises me is the number of initial passers. I usually double with this sort of hand (and so do my opponents, the only difference being that their partners never seem to bid diamonds.

 

I do double too with this shape. It is not the shape that made me pass, I just think those who start double has different view than me about what this hand is worth.