whereagles Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 MP, national sim. V vs NV ♠ Q103 ♥ AQJ ♦ AJ5 ♣ J943 You pard1NT 2♣2♦ 3♣?? And now? 3x bids would show up-the-line stopper (but could be advance cue), 3NT misfit or bad hand in context, and 4♣ ye olde "great hand in context." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 3NT for me. Despite 4 card support. 4333 is bad, 15 HCP is bad, AQJ is bad, 3 Jacks are bad. Ofcourse if partner has a stiff spade its probably better to play 5/6♣s. Still they havent lead a spade yet, and the stopper may be good enough for +630 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 If 3NT is specifically a misfit then the only systemic call is 3♦. If this is wrong then the system needs to be improved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 If partner has singleton diamond I wanna play 6♣ rather than 3NT. So I would try 3♥. If partner has singleton spade we will rather play 5♣ also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I don't get your thread title. You outline a system and your rebid under that system is clear as Zel says. So what is there to re-value? I kinda agree with Fluffy - but you need to discuss changing the system rather than do it on the fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well, maybe "misfit" is too strong. Make that "misfit or bad hand in context". I changed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Thx all. Hands:♠ Q103 ♥ AQJ ♦ AJ5 ♣ J943 ♠ A ♥ K942 ♦ KQ8 ♣ A10875 1NT 2♣2♦ 3♣?? Not sure what is best. 4♣ will get you to a slam, but is that the percentage bid long term? Wouldn't 3NT be better, or 3x? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't know what you're complaining about. Unless I'm not thinking straight this morning I've been in worse slams than 6♣ and 3NT is not cast iron on a low spade lead (which is hardly going to be unlikely). Edit... Um, so you're thinking 4C is the bid with your hand. I thought, per your system this was a 3D call. Which I admit puts off the choice somewhat, but at least you're going to commit to slam, if you do, with your eyes more open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I think partner should make another move on over a 3nt call. 16 hcp, guaranteed fit in a minor, stiff spade A, and 6 controls, nearly everything working. Of course, might stay out of slam anyways with 1 KC + Q missing. 5♣ making 6, unlucky. I guess if you play 4♦ as key card for clubs you might get a 4nt response and play it there (then again a spade lead and unlucky layout might well hold NT to only 9 tricks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm surprised no-one's asked what 3♣ meant. Is it a decent suit, or just 4-5? Or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm bidding 3 NT. If partner persists to 4 ♣, I'll raise to 5 ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I don't think that 3NT is correct, then surely if partner bids 4C then 4D is the least I can do. 5C doesn't help him/her at all. FWIW if I had the 1435 hand and partner bid 3nt I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Assuming 15-17 HCP for 1NT, I bid 3NT. Any 4333 shape (even with 4-card support) is bad, only 4 controls is bad (the average expected controls for 15 HCP is 5.01, and obviously higher for 16 and 17 HCP), you are quacky with only a J♣, AND we have every side suit cleanly stopped. Considering there are many 12 HCP distributional hands where I would make a slam try over 1NT openeing, this is a clear min in context. However, partner should make another slam try WITH 16 WORKING HCP AND 6 CONTROLS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 ♠ A ♥ K942 ♦ KQ8 ♣ A10875 Not sure what is best. 4♣ will get you to a slam, but is that the percentage bid long term? Wouldn't 3NT be better, or 3x?Chase said that with this hand anything you do now should work. I disagree, if you bid 3NT you might end up in 6NT, and passing 3NT wouldn't be out of the picture if it wasn't for the nice ♦KQx that guarantee a good minor fit as partner must have 5 diamonds or 3 clubs (maybe both). I think bidding 3♥ is still pretty clear, and any form of raise will put declarer into slam directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Thx all. Hands:♠ Q 10 3 ♥ A Q J ♦ A J 5 ♣ J 9 4 3♠ A ♥ K 9 4 2 ♦ K Q 8 ♣ A 10 8 7 51NT 2♣2♦ 3♣??And now? 3x bids would show up-the-line stopper (but could be advance cue), 3NT misfit or bad hand in context, and 4♣ ye olde "great hand in context." IMO 3♥ = 10. 3♦ = 9. 3N = 8. 4♣ = 7. 3♠ = 5. Fluffy persuades us that 3♥ is best, in an attempt to stay out of 3N when responder has a pointy singleton. 4♣ is an overbid with a flat minimum, in spite of 4-card trump support and 2 aces. As chasteb says, whatever you bid, partner has an enormous hand and is worth at least one more effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm surprised no-one's asked what 3♣ meant. Is it a decent suit, or just 4-5? Or other? It's standard: just a 4-5 and a game force. A priori there are no slam overtones from it (that comes later on, if relevant). Thx all again. I found this discussion very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 What standard? Every bridge player I can think of either hasn't discussed the sequence in recent memory or has invented their own homebrew continuations to 1N. Anyway, voting for 3N now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 well... all textbooks I know of have defined something like "new suit after stayman = nat 5 cards GF". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 3C for me would have a strong interest in playing clubs, although not necessarily 6 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 We play it (over weak NT) as a sign-off, on the grounds that it lets you seek marginal major games more safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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