Lord Molyb Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) [hv=pc=n&e=sthkt76djt52caj63&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p2cp2d(Waiting%20-%20forcing%20to%202NT)p3d(Opener's%20suit%20-%205%2B%20!D%2C%2019%2B%20HCP%2C%2023%2B%20Total%20Points)p]133|200[/hv] What is your call, and what would 4♦ mean here? Edited January 22, 2015 by Lord Molyb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Copying only so I can allow full description of 3♦ to show.[hv=pc=n&e=sthkt76djt52caj63&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p2cp2d(Waiting%20-%20forcing%20to%202NT)p3d(Opener's%20suit%20-%205%2B%20!D%2C%2019%2B%20HCP%2C%2023%2B%20Total%20Points)p]250|200[/hv] What is your call, and what would 4♦ mean here?3♥; West could be something like 3451 and I don't want to lose the potential heart fit. 4♦ should deny a four-card major and deny the ability to go directly to RKC(D). I think this is the auction where WestGIB will always raise 4♦ to 5 and will always raise 5♦ to 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandayre Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 No doubt the best call is a splinter bid of 4S. Probably not available with GIB. There is nothing wrong with 4D certainly. It would be nice to see GIB rebid after that call with a few example hands. Probably though with GIB Blackwood is your best bet. I am going to forget about Hearts. If I bid 3H GIB certainly might raise with 3 and it will be tough to get back to Diamonds when it is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think 4♠ is pretty clear if it is defined as splinter. I don't care about heart fit so much when I'm this strong. Otherwise 4♦ ought to be fine. GIB's continuations after 2c-2d-3m are pretty screwed up. I think it was using 3M bids artificially at one point? I *don't* think 3M should be 4 cards only. I think it's far too important to be able to find 5-3/6-3 major fits, that 3M should show 5+ cards, and it's way too hard to bid these when 3M only shows 4 (partner's going to have 4 cd support incredibly rarely, what do you do after the inevitable 3nt?), and that 5-3 fits are a lot more common than 4-4 in this situation (takes really strong hand to justify 3d on 3451 type shape, many should arguably be opened 1, and a decent chunk of these may have some stiff club honor and justify treating hand as balanced to find major fit). If GIB wants to find 4-4 fits when opener has 4cd major and longer diamonds, it should use the 2c-2d-3M = 4cd M 5+(usu 6+) diamond treatment.Over 2c-2d-3c, 3d should be ambiguously defined to look for the potential 4-4 major fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted January 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I bid 4♦ as I didn't consider 4♠ at the time. GIB passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) What was the description of 4♦? Edit: Oh. Probably not right to make a bid that previews as "3-5 total points". Edited January 25, 2015 by Bbradley62 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 This is what GIB thinks: [hv=bbo=y&lin=pn|~~M88339c0,autks,~~M6414hxk,goldiesan|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2STH67TKD25TJC36JA%2CS6789H3JD48QC24TQ%2CS5JKAHAD679KAC59K%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CStrong%20two%20club%20--%2019%2B%20HCP%3B%2023%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%202N%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C2D%20bid%20waiting%20--%20forcing%20to%202N%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7COpener%5C%27s%20suit%20--%205%2B%20%21D%3B%2019%2B%20HCP%3B%2023%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C4%2B%20%21H%3B%205%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%203N%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C5%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21S%3B%2019%2B%20HCP%3B%2023%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6D%7Can%7C3%2B%20%21D%3B%204%2B%20%21H%3B%209%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CCQ%7C]420|270[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Molyb Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 What was the description of 4♦? Edit: Oh. Probably not right to make a bid that previews as "3-5 total points".It didn't say 3-5 total points when I previewed it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I bid 4♦ as I didn't consider 4♠ at the time. GIB passed. Thanks for reporting. Will be discussed for appropriate solution i guess close to 2♣ - 2♦ 2M - 3M where 3M is GF+ values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 What was the description of 4♦? Edit: Oh. Probably not right to make a bid that previews as "3-5 total points". It didn't say 3-5 total points when I previewed it... Really? Then this is a bigger problem than simply this one auction and should be investigated by the programmers. It should never be the case that a previewed explanation is different than the one posted after the previewed bid is made. [hv=bbo=y&lin=pn|Lord Molyb,~~M3934r8n,~~M4045p0t,~~M4919w4s|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2STH67TKD25TJC36JA%2CS6789H3JD48QC24TQ%2CS5JKAHAD679KAC59K%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CStrong%20two%20club%20--%2019%2B%20HCP%3B%2023%2B%20total%20points%3B%20forcing%20to%202N%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C2D%20bid%20waiting%20--%20forcing%20to%202N%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7COpener%5C%27s%20suit%20--%205%2B%20%21D%3B%2019%2B%20HCP%3B%2023%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Can%7C3%2B%20%21D%3B%203-5%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7C]360|270[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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