eagles123 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sakj5hj2dt8cjt986&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d1hdp1sp]133|200[/hv] system is weak and 4 if you object to X for any reason then pls say why now how many spades? It's MP btw Cheers, Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 2s only here since many on forum like to open often and lightish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 2s only here since many on forum like to open often and lightish. my partner isn't on the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 my partner isn't on the forum I assumed you opened, not your partner. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 What does 1♠ show in "weak and 4"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Eagles, if 1♠ was forcing (for example Cyber plays it that way) then I think you have to bid 3♠. If 1♠ shows a failure to bid forcing 2♠, then 2♠ is reasonable at MP imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sakj5hj2dt8cjt986&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1d1hdp1sp]133|200| system is weak and 4if you object to X for any reason then pls say whynow how many spades?It's MP btw[/hv] IMO, It depends whether the double promises 4+ ♠s; or exactly 4 ♠s; or just a hand that is a bit stuck. Assuming that the double shows 4 ♠s, then you would expect opener to bid at least 2♠ if he had 4+ ♠s too. Hence, 1♠ by opener would normally show only 3♠s. Thus, wild ♠ raises seem inappropriate. If the double showed 4+ ♠s then 2♣ = 10, 1N = 9, Pass = 8.If the double showed 4 ♠s but denied 5♠ then 2♣ = 10, 2♠ = 9, Pass = 8.If the double was nebulous (so opener's 1♠ presumably showed 4+ ♠) then a limit raise to 3♠ = 10 seems appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't think North is likely to hold only three spades. Playing 4-card majors / weak NT then North will usually be unbalanced for this sequence (I suppose a strong no trump hand without a heart stop is possible). In this case I would expect North to be at least 5-4 in diamonds/spades and you know that you have at least an eight-card spade fit. I think that it is close between 2S and 3S - but suspect that I would tend to bid three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Really? I thought the most common usage of 1♠ here is precisely to show a 3 card raise and avoid having to mix that in with a 2♠ rebid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Really? I thought the most common usage of 1♠ here is precisely to show a 3 card raise and avoid having to mix that in with a 2♠ rebid! In forum bridge perhaps you are right. It is not common at all irl bridge especially among I/A level players. Not even as common as it should be among adv+ players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 To me, without discussion, 2H looks like values and confirming a fit, so why not bid that? As well as suggesting game without forcing to the three level, it makes the opps less likely to compete when they have a decent sac on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I think 1♠ is either 3 spades and no heart stop (eg 3253 15 count, or less if unbalanced) or a terrible hand with 4 spades. With a sound minimum with 4 spades, partner would bid 2♠. Anyway, since there was no heart raise, I don't expect the former hand-type, but I make the obvious continuation of 2♣ regardless. If partner has a bad 3451 I expect him to retreat to 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think 1♠ is either 3 spades and no heart stop (eg 3253 15 count, or less if unbalanced) or a terrible hand with 4 spades. With a sound minimum with 4 spades, partner would bid 2♠. Anyway, since there was no heart raise, I don't expect the former hand-type, but I make the obvious continuation of 2♣ regardless. If partner has a bad 3451 I expect him to retreat to 2♠. Passing seems pretty reasonable to me in these conditions (which is also how I like to play). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 LOL @ me For some reason i am seeing the auction as 1m--1♥ 1♠ Now everything everyone else said, started to make sense to me. Even though I saw it correct when replying to Zel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 2♠ seems fair. You got a demi-invite :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Passing seems pretty reasonable to me in these conditions (which is also how I like to play). TBH I just like voting "other" as often as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 well I bid 2s partner passed with T432AK7QJ754A interestingly only 2 out of 6 tables got to game on this hand thanks Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well, I wouldn't pass 2♠ on that. I'd try 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well, I wouldn't pass 2♠ on that. I'd try 3♦.Fairly confident you would not have rebid 1♠ in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Possibly, yes. But having done so, I'd carry on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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