Antrax Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 This is sort of Bridge content but too frivolous for GBD I think.So, I get the name throw-in, but people a lot more commonly use "endplay" - even when it's to say something like "looks like he's endplayed on opening lead" meaning each opening lead will be away from an honor, so it clearly has nothing to do with being near the end of the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 This is sort of Bridge content but too frivolous for GBD I think.So, I get the name throw-in, but people a lot more commonly use "endplay" - even when it's to say something like "looks like he's endplayed on opening lead" meaning each opening lead will be away from an honor, so it clearly has nothing to do with being near the end of the hand.My belief is that the use of the word endplay stems from the fact that most of these positions arise towards the end of the hand. Yes, we do talk about people being 'end played' earlier, but that is unusual, which indeed is why it is remarked upon: a position that would normally be expected to arise late in the play has arisen earlier. It is a useful catchall term that encompasses a range of positions, which would otherwise need to be specified more precisely, and with more verbiage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 You stick it to em, right in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Maybe in order to understand endplay, we have to look at the word itself. Basically, it's made up of two separate words — "endp" and "lay." What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is endplay. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 You may (anything is possible!) find Clyde Love's comments on page 84 of Bridge Squeezes Complete relevant. Love tells us that "Sharp distinction should be drawn between the terms "end play" and "endplay". He draws an analogy with the terms "wild cat" and "wildcat". In his view, "end play" refers to the last few tricks, whether or not an "endplay" is involved. And yes, I once owned a somewhat wild cat but I have never owned a wildcat. I trust we will all keep this thoroughly in mind as we discuss the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Why is it called bridge????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Why is it called bridge?????Allegedly a British corruption of a Russian word for a card game that resembled whist:). That's what happens when you ask a question on the internet: some geek somewhere has an answer! I think the Russian game was called biritch or Russian whist, then mispronounced as bridge See The Bridge Players Companion, published in 1955 Hellespont on Bridge, of which I have a 1904 edition, says that bridge had only become popular in England in the last 10 years, and that it had spread from Eastern Europe, which seems to support the Britich notion. The 1904 book was the 4 th edition: I'd love to find a 1st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I think the Russian game was called biritch or Russian whist, then mispronounced as bridge In that case I am really lucky that today I don't have to say I'm a "bitch professional." But you're right someone with some random knowledge always ruins my sarcastic responses, thanks Mike :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Throw in also doesn't make a lot of sense. Am I supposed to imagine a big danceoff where I don't want to participate but then when nobody wants to go next, someone throws me in the ring? I always thought of something like declarer throws me a ball and that means I have to play first to that trick, but that wouldn't be a throw in per se. Throw in (figuratively) means to add/include something, which putting someone on the lead doesn't. As for endplay, I'm not sure, but you're in a corner or something, no good things to do, so it's kind of like the end of your possibilities. Of course zugzwang (German for "forced to make a move") is a more elegant word in chess than this ad hoc explanation of endplay, but we work with what we have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Maybe in order to understand endplay, we have to look at the word itself. Basically, it's made up of two separate words — "endp" and "lay." What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is endplay. That's a nice and handey deeper thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 But why was it called whist in first place?. There is a book in Spain that claims that the ancestor of it is spannish "Brisca" wich is a trick card game with trump, and is said to date from when the arabs inhabited the peninsula (and they brought cards into Europe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 But why was it called whist in first place?. There is a book in Spain that claims that the ancestor of it is spannish "Brisca" wich is a trick card game with trump, and is said to date from when the arabs inhabited the peninsula (and they brought cards into Europe)'whiiist' is the sound that cards make when dealt rapidly. Anyway, every country claims it invented everything. Which isn't true....clearly Canadians invented everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 'whiiist' is the sound that cards make when dealt rapidly. Anyway, every country claims it invented everything. Which isn't true....clearly Canadians invented everything.Clearly, whiskey, bacon, and pizza anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Clearly, whiskey, bacon, and pizza anyway.don't EVER forget timbits!!!!!! (for the uninitiated, I think they are the deep-fried bits punched from the centre of the dough used to make donuts...aka donut holes, I say I think they are since, despite being Canadian, I never frequent Tim Horton's, the source of this delicacy) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Anyway, every country claims it invented everything. Which isn't true....clearly Canadians invented everything.'Twas the Scots that built This Country, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 But why was it called whist in first place?. According to "Bumblepuppy Days" (p.57), it was originally called "whisk" in the early 17th century, and this may have referred to the sweeping motion when you're gathering up the completed tricks. Later in the century it morphed to "whist", which was similar to our modern "shh", meaning to keep quiet. One reason the name changed when bidding was added is because the game was no longer silent. Maybe we should go back to the old name now that bidding boxes (or written bidding down under) have become ubiquitous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted January 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 "Whisk" is an awesome name for a card game that would go a long way towards popularizing the game with a younger crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 In that case I am really lucky that today I don't have to say I'm a "bitch professional."Nobody stops you from getting a second job. :P Rik 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 it clearly has nothing to do with being near the end of the hand. foreplay was taken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovera Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 You may (anything is possible!) find Clyde Love's comments on page 84 of Bridge Squeezes Complete relevant. Love tells us that "Sharp distinction should be drawn between the terms "end play" and "endplay". He draws an analogy with the terms "wild cat" and "wildcat". In his view, "end play" refers to the last few tricks, whether or not an "endplay" is involved. And yes, I once owned a somewhat wild cat but I have never owned a wildcat. I trust we will all keep this thoroughly in mind as we discuss the game.""The" end play of a hand-every hand- is a vague term meaning the play of the last few tricks. "An" endplay is a play belonging to the group known as squeezes, strips, and trump coups, or combinations thereof: this name is used because such plays usually occur toward the end of the hand."(From the Love text) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I don't think I've ever heard anyone use the phrase "end play" to refer to the last few tricks of a hand. In spoken use there would be no way to tell that there's a space there, and it's likely to be misconstrued as "endplay". I think I may have heard that phrase used in chess contexts, but I don't read chess literature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 I think I may have heard that phrase used in chess contexts, but I don't read chess literature.Chess uses the term end game but not end play (or endplay). The equivalent of an endplay in chess is Zugzwang, a German word usually translated as "compulsion to move". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Yeah, "end game" is what I was thinking of. Like I said, I don't actually read much chess literature. I thought I recognized the word "Zugzwang". Turns out it was the title of the "Extant" episode from 3 weeks ago (part of the plot involved a chessboard where the moves were clues). And when I googled it, I found that it was also the title of an episode of "Criminal Minds" from 2 years ago. I suspect TV writers like the sound of that word, and the meaning can be easily applied to thrillers like these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Bit offtopic, but since most advanced plays (squeezes and endplays) happen towards the end of the hand, I was wondering if it would be benefitial for beginners to start playing with 7 cards instead of 13. They would learn those moves, and also tap declarer I think. Then they might be better prepared when they move to 13 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Simple, it's like coldplay but without the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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