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This should force opponents to show their suit. If it's spades I'll stick to 5. But if it's hearts I'll take a flyer at slam, based on the would-be shortness across. Finally, if pard makes some move in diamonds, 5. If he makes some random noise that's not necessarily diamond based, 6.

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Doesn't really matter what defense you play, I'm interested in how people would try to tackle this hand whatever their methods.

 

For the record, playing this hand I played a fairly simple (= definitely not optimal) method: Dbl shows (but no continuations defined), all others are natural...

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It's either 6C or 3C. I already have it in my notes that if I ever play against Philking and he makes a simple overcall, we are letting him play there unless the hand clearly belongs to us:)
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I'm bidding 6C now. If partner doubled 4 for penalty, we may be missing grand, but there is no way of discovering the heart 10.

 

I may be down, off an Ace and a slow heart loser, but I'll take my chances.

 

Put it another way: I think that there are (far) more layouts on which slam is excellent and he can't raise 5 than there are hands on which slam is bad.

 

What worries me most is my bidding 6 and having rho double on his heart void. It is easy to see that opposite say xx K10xxx QJxx xx we need to be in 6, but I'm going to wait until that double happens before committing myself. And even then, I probably won't pull.

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The idea of doubling for takeout on these cards makes me ill. I would expect that it would go all pass a significant amount of the time.

 

Unless you have a bid for this type of hand over the 2 opening*, I would just punt 6 hoping that partner has one or two cards that would let it succeed. I don't have a K ask available, and that card, without more, gives me a reasonable chance to make 6.

 

The J and the A together also gives me a reasonable chance to make 6.

 

Partner could have some cards that are not useful but the opps might make a lead which turns them into gold. For example, partner could have the A and the J, and the opps could lead a diamond.

 

The bottom line is that I don't know what is best here, but I do know what is worst - double. I am going to guess that 6 is the winner.

 

* I fully expected that someone was going to say that "Over a 2 opening, we play that 2 of a major shows 4 in the bid major and a side solid 8 card minor." That would be great on this hand, but I would wager that it doesn't come up too often.

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I double which shows either 18+ balanced or 15+ unbalanced (2maj is 10-14 take out of other major) and I'm preparing to bid 5 over them jumping to 4!

 

If they stay out of and unless partner shows I'll treat this as a GF single suiter in . I like that slightly more than just jumping to 5 (my second choice) as there is some chance of partner holding IF the weak 2 is in and or they stay silent (unlikely but you never know) and give us room to explore slam or even grand.

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