whereagles Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 MPs, national sim V vs NV you hold: ♠ 105♥ K7643♦ AK7♣ 752 Pard RHO you pass 1♣ ...?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 This one I pass. 3 small clubs and a suit headed by the K7 is not enough V vs NV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 If it's right to pass with a 5-card major and 10 nice hcp just because partner is a passed hand, then bridge is too difficult a game for me.There is a good chance we belong in 2♥ or 3♥, and bidding 1♥ is the way to find out. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I would pass in a flash our hearts are rubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Obvious 1h overcall. Passing is poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 So after you pass it goes 1nt back to you and? You can come in at the 2 level at much greater risk or pass again to the ♠2 lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I am so confused by this, it seems by the responses/vote count that it's a 1H overcall but I just don't get it and wanting to learn as always: - We don't particularly want a H lead against their contract- we're at the risk of being done for pens- P might expect more at this vulnerability where am I going wrong in my thinking :( Eagles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I'm also a passer, and to add to eagles' list, we have the death holding in clubs. Switch them with my spades, and I'd venture it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I am so confused by this, it seems by the responses/vote count that it's a 1H overcall but I just don't get it and wanting to learn as always: - We don't particularly want a H lead against their contract- we're at the risk of being done for pens- P might expect more at this vulnerability where am I going wrong in my thinking :( Eagles- Actually we do want a heart lead against many potential enemy contracts, especially 1NT.- There are times to worry about getting doubled for penalties at the 1 level ... they are exceedingly rare and this is not one of them.- Partner might need to adjust his expectations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 - We don't particularly want a H lead against their contract- we're at the risk of being done for pens- P might expect more at this vulnerability - a heart lead is strongly preferred to a low spade, has positive potential with a little help from pard and is often at worst neutral when the king was always onside - very slight chance. Selling out quietly to the partscore of the opponents choice is asking for a long string of -110 results and -1100 can be the same zero as -110- might be a learning curve but the ability of your partner to put them under pressure and bump them up to something you can defeat is a balancing act that pays big dividends I found the Mike Lawrence book on Overcalls to be very good and if the opponent had opened 1♠ on your actual hand I would pass and then be faced with what to do after 1nt or 2♠ passed back to me. Lawrence also has a good book on Balancing, when/why and how to pressure the opponents while minimizing (not eliminating) the risk. The two go hand in glove for matchpoint strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I'm not worried about getting penalised at the one-level nearly as much as encouraging P to overcompete, or giving the opps info when they (likely) win the hand. At MPs especially, 2♥ or 3♥ -2 both look worryingly likely. The last thing I want is for P to 'put them under pressure' - there's too high a chance they'll succumb to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 1♥. Have no idea which bid works best.Just know I wouldn't like to see pass - 1♦ - pass - 1♠pass - 2♠ I'm not worried about getting penalised at the one-level nearly as much as encouraging P to overcompete, or giving the opps info when they (likely) win the hand. Passed hands should stop punishing pd for being aggressive. To go to the 3 level pd should hold 4 card support and a singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 1[he[. Not even a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Passing this hand would be playing a different game than I am used to. I can't even comment on the relative merits of it as I have never done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I couldn't imagine forming a regular partnership with someone who thought this was a pass, because they'll overcompete to the 3 level when I bid, and I'll wrongly sell out to 2♣ or 2♠ when they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Feels very close to me. I'd probably overcall because "5-card major and 10 nice hcp" but I'd be scared. Obviously it is not just partner being a passed hand, we're vulnerable with no trick source, no spot cards, and the two-little spades take away some of the upside. When we have a fit we're likely to be outbid. When we don't we're left praying for the opponents to rescue us. It's not the risk of getting doubled in 1♥ (though that could happen), we could easily end up with a terrible result on a normal continuation like when LHO passes and partner bids 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 MPs, national sim V vs NV you hold: ♠ 105♥ K7643♦ AK7♣ 752 Pard RHO you pass 1♣ ...?? Good post and thread, I learned something from the posters, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I couldn't imagine forming a regular partnership with someone who thought this was a pass, because they'll overcompete to the 3 level when I bid, and I'll wrongly sell out to 2♣ or 2♠ when they don't. I agree with this. A passer is not a partner I would eve rcontemplate playing with. Perhaps the passers have never heard of cue raises? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madhu1955 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 If it's right to pass with a 5-card major and 10 nice hcp just because partner is a passed hand, then bridge is too difficult a game for me.There is a good chance we belong in 2♥ or 3♥, and bidding 1♥ is the way to find out. Recently we won the Kakinada Tournament because I declined to overcall an almost Identical hand (A8xxx H, 10 HCP). Opps played in 3NT for 430. At the other table, bidding went 1C-1H-Dbl-all pass for 1100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I'd have thought 2♥ is almost as "good" a bid as pass here. Surprised this isn't a WTP 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Recently we won the Kakinada Tournament because I declined to overcall an almost Identical hand (A8xxx H, 10 HCP). Opps played in 3NT for 430. At the other table, bidding went 1C-1H-Dbl-all pass for 1100 How many tournament have you lost because you failed to overcall similar hands? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 i overcall more than pretty much anyone i know but i think there's lot more going for pass than people are giving credit. given partner's pass, it's unlikely to be our hand - we're shortish in spades so there's a fair chance the opps can outbid us even when we have a fit. i'm not scared about getting creamed at the 1 level. i'm more scared of partner supporting us to the 2 level and getting cracked when hearts are 4-1. this is a situation in which the opps will be happy to take a penalty. considering the vul and our hand having fair potential on defence relative to the shitty offence our poor suit and shape offers, i just don't think it's good risk/reward to be getting involved. i asked a better player than me who passed too fwiw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I haven't heard any good arguments to change my mind. I still pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 i asked a better player than me who passed too fwiw. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uiende Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 definitely 1H, you may miss an opportunity you never know pard's hand and if they leave you in it and double...it's worth the risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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