whereagles Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 MPs, national sim None vuln ♠♥ A9♦ AJ103♣ AQ97532 Pard you1♠ ... 2♣ (F1)3♠ ... ?? 3♠ is 15-17 and good 6 card suit. Normally has no other 4 card suit.4♦ now is undiscussed. What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 4♣ to tell my pd that I have lot more clubs than I showed previously and not impressed a lot by his 3 spades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Yes, 4C looks right here. If partner bids 4S I have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 4D is far better than 4C as it shows 2 features of my hand. I suspect many would play 4m as a cue bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I know it is not answering the question, but just curious about the definition (and quite narrow one at that) of the 3S rebid. Given that 2C is not GF I would simply have defined 3S as establishing a GF with a robust 6+ card suit. HCP undefined but not excluding 18-19, and I can imagine shapely hands where I would do it with 14. I suppose that 4S rebid should have a meaning, but pretty specific. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 4D is far better than 4C as it shows 2 features of my hand. I suspect many would play 4m as a cue bid.Many would play 4D as a cue-bid but 4C not. That's why 4C is better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Tough one. I'm tempted to shoot 6♣ and expect to have a play opposite a stiff. If partner converts to 6♠ it's not my problem anymore. Could a non solid partnership bid 4♣ minus those red Aces? I've seen pick up pairs pass that bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Depends a bit on your philosophy on undiscussed bids... if you have a strict "undiscussed = natural" philosophy, then 4♦ is very attractive, showing extra values and significant shape (partner should expect us to bid 3NT on most 5♣4♦ hands and start with diamonds if we have 5-5...) If there is a chance partner might mistake 4♦ for a cue, then 4♣ is probably the safer bid. BTW, there are several bids I would rate more highly than 4NT RKCB that you did not mention, including 6♣. 4NT is a terrible bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 I don't understand 4♦. Why show 5-6 when we have 4-7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Fwiw, had I bid 4♦, I would be more scared that pd will take it natural as oppose to taking it as a cue, when I hold this hand. For the reason Arend said. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't understand 4♦. Why show 5-6 when we have 4-7? Bidding is a 2 way street. Perhaps you need to play a relay system. I wish the op had given us a little more information about his expectations of the 3S bid. When I see the rubbish that some posters bid 3S on on this site, we may not even have a game :-)In the meantime I am going to show my partner that I have length in C and also have a D suit. Who says it needs to be 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I don't understand 4♦. Why show 5-6 when we have 4-7? Sometimes people bid suits to show shape, even though no fit is possible. I think most would agree that 1♣ 1NT2♥ does not show a 6-5. But ok, this is at the two level.. I agree that at the FOUR level things should perhaps be different :) For the record, in a past partnership of mine we used to play 1M 2x3M 2x+1 as cue/slam invite. (We had a gadget for the hardest case: 1♠-2♥-3♠-??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Thx all. Add these to your "bidding challenge" set: ♠♥ A9♦ AJ103♣ AQ97532 ♠ AQ10432♥ Q43♦ KQ5♣ K http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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