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What do you plan to compare them with? As Mike said, it's almost inconceivable to play anything other than natural that doesn't let you show both majors.

 

My point is that "inconceivable" does not mean "correct". There are several independent variables but nothing I can do about that. This is at least a quantified test with some degree of regularity -- i.e. the GIB -- of how effective it actually is to show double suits against a strong 1NT opener, as opposed to the "in my expert opinion" test.

 

I am entertaining the possibility that natural is better.

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haha annoyed and drunk u see my point anyway :) :lol:

 

Glad you're feeling good, but why annoyed? Not using Cap. and getting a great score is the contrapositive of using Cap. and not doing well. The flip side of the same coin.

 

People get way too irritated in forums. It's just a suggestion that showing moderate two-suiters over a strong NT might have more downside than upside.

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I'm totally confused on which is the address bar. I copied it and got this garbage.

 

http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C

[hv=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C]399|300[/hv]

 

My code looks like

 

pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C

 

Not getting code like this

 

pc=n&s=sakj98hkj764d97c5&w=sh9832dqjtcqjt762&n=sqt752ha5d432c984&e=s643hqtdak865cak&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=p1nppp

 

Sorry to be such a bother.

 

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I think you missed the point. I did sit South and I did pass, and I did get an excellent score. Point being, not showing two five-card majors came out well in this instance.

 

What about 65 or 56? At what point would you crack and bid?

 

Lets try a random one off the top of my head (lets make it weaker because we have 11 cards) - are you recommending pass on say:

 

AQT9x

Qxxxxx

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xx

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My point is that "inconceivable" does not mean "correct". There are several independent variables but nothing I can do about that. This is at least a quantified test with some degree of regularity -- i.e. the GIB -- of how effective it actually is to show double suits against a strong 1NT opener, as opposed to the "in my expert opinion" test.

 

I am entertaining the possibility that natural is better.

 

It sounds to me like you're entertaining the possibility that passing is better. You are allowed to do so, even playing Capp, even holding the OP hand if you think it's going to be a winner. For natural to be better, you'd have to gain more from overcalling a natural 2 (or 2) than from overcalling a 'both majors' hand (or for it to come up sufficiently more often).

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pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C

 

OK sorry. I guess the code from myhands is in a somewhat different format from the one that you get through export deal->handviewer link. With your code, you need to use hv=lin=. Just copy the whole link I think it works. Don't worry about the different format the software can parse both. %7C is the | character, I guess your browser escapes this in the address bar but the board software can deal with it.

 

try:

[hv=lin=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C]400|300[/hv]

or just leave in the whole URL as is:

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C]400|300[/hv]  

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OK sorry. I guess the code from myhands is in a somewhat different format from the one that you get through export deal->handviewer link. With your code, you need to use hv=lin=. Just copy the whole link I think it works. Don't worry about the different format the software can parse both. %7C is the | character, I guess your browser escapes this in the address bar but the board software can deal with it.

 

try:

[hv=lin=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C]400|300[/hv]

or just leave in the whole URL as is:

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C]400|300[/hv]  

 

Thanks, the first method worked.

 

[hv=lin=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C]399|300[/hv]

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This is the fourth time in three days I have made 3NT because a Cappelleti bid drew me a road map, and the second strip squeeze.

 

[hv=pc=n&s=skjha9532dqjckqj9&w=saq853hkj764dk3c2&n=st96hqt8da9654ca7&e=s742hdt872ct86543&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p1n2d(Cappelleti%20-%20both%20majors)3d(Lebensohl)p3nppp&p=s3s6s2sjdqdkdad7d4d2djd3c9c2cac4c7c3ckh4cqh6s9c6cjh7stc5sksad5s4sqd6s7h2s8d9d8h3s5h8c8h5hkhtcthah9hjhq]399|300[/hv]

 

I don't see any realistic way to make it without West's 2 bid.

 

Spade lead, diamond finesse, second diamond trick, then four rounds of clubs. West has to discard down to KJ, or else a heart toward the queen ends the hand. The you feed him the K.

 

Don't most players open 1 with the South hand?

The lesson is 'if LHO has 5/5 in the majors, always open 1NT with a 5 card major'.

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Because you're a self-righteous puritan who thinks that actively trying to upset living people is a noble calling, but breathing the name of long-dead ones is a serious crime?

 

So you believe that boasting on a forum about being drunk is acceptable? This also does not surprise me.

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Cappelletti gets a bad rep on these forums not because 2=both majors is unplayable, but because 2=both majors (Landy and many later conventions) is much superior: advancer can bid 2 with equal length major suit length and play in the longer major, making it safer to intervene on 5-4 shapes, and drawing less of a roadmap when they get to 3NT anyway. Cappelletti would be worth playing IMHO, if natural were the only legal alternative. Competing on major two suiters is important against a strong NT and absolutely essential against a weak NT, though it can work out badly (as can any other method: we're interested in how it does on average).

 

An aside: great news that Multi-Landy is apparently going to be GCC legal, assuming the BOD doesn't reject the recommendation. I would have preferred "any NT defense legal", but this would be the next best thing.

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