masonbarge Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 This is the fourth time in three days I have made 3NT because a Cappelleti bid drew me a road map, and the second strip squeeze. [hv=pc=n&s=skjha9532dqjckqj9&w=saq853hkj764dk3c2&n=st96hqt8da9654ca7&e=s742hdt872ct86543&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p1n2d(Cappelleti%20-%20both%20majors)3d(Lebensohl)p3nppp&p=s3s6s2sjdqdkdad7d4d2djd3c9c2cac4c7c3ckh4cqh6s9c6cjh7stc5sksad5s4sqd6s7h2s8d9d8h3s5h8c8h5hkhtcthah9hjhq]399|300[/hv] I don't see any realistic way to make it without West's 2♦ bid. Spade lead, diamond finesse, second diamond trick, then four rounds of clubs. West has to discard down to ♥KJ, or else a heart toward the queen ends the hand. The you feed him the ♠K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 How would you have played it without the 2♦ bid? I can't see any line other than the one you took. And suppose that the North and East hands were swapped, so that EW make twelve tricks in spades. How would EW get to game without the 2♦ bid? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 given West can't count (small spade at trick 9) I'm not sure why this is in expert forum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 reminds me of a video that Fred did where he had to keep his two medium spades in order to prevent the opponents (I think Meckwell) from underplaying the 3 to partner's 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 If East showed his ♠ count, West can exit with a small ♠ after taking ♠A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 If East showed his ♠ count, West can exit with a small ♠ after taking ♠A.No, because then declarer has 9 tricks. 2 spades, 2 diamonds, 1 heart and 4 clubs. The same is true for those of you who duck the ♠K at trick 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 No, because then declarer has 9 tricks. Declarer erred by discarding the S9 rather than a red card. So the defence did have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Declarer erred by discarding the S9 rather than a red card. So the defence did have a chance.Apparently there was a smudge on the road map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 what's cappeletti got to do with anything? I mean, I don't like the convention, but I won't play without some means of showing both majors, and I am never passing as West. You can have your occasional 'road map' and I'll have my frequent pickups on boards where we find our fit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Even so, it was well done to find the key to the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I would hate not to be able to show the majors with that nice West hand. While sometimes you'll get buried and sometimes there's an information leak (that turns out not to matter here) more often it will allow you to compete effectively. East needs very little other than a trump fit to make 4M here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Try showing the majors with 5-4 or even 4-4 (or 3-3 if you're really feeling frisky) once in a while and watch declarer get it wrong. Cuts both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 This is the fourth time in three days I have made 3NT because a Cappelleti bid drew me a road map, and the second strip squeeze. [hv=pc=n&s=skjha9532dqjckqj9&w=saq853hkj764dk3c2&n=st96hqt8da9654ca7&e=s742hdt872ct86543&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p1n2d(Cappelleti%20-%20both%20majors)3d(Lebensohl)p3nppp&p=s3s6s2sjdqdkdad7d4d2djd3c9c2cac4c7c3ckh4cqh6s9c6cjh7stc5sksad5s4sqd6s7h2s8d9d8h3s5h8c8h5hkhtcthah9hjhq]399|300[/hv] I don't see any realistic way to make it without West's 2♦ bid. Spade lead, diamond finesse, second diamond trick, then four rounds of clubs. West has to discard down to ♥KJ, or else a heart toward the queen ends the hand. The you feed him the ♠K. I haven't figured it out. "hv=pc=n&s=skjha9532dqjckqj9&w=saq853hkj764dk3c2&n=st96hqt8da9654ca7&e=s742hdt872ct86543&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p1n2d(Cappelleti%20-%20both%20majors)3d(Lebensohl)p3nppp&p=s3s6s2sjdqdkdad7d4d2djd3c9c2cac4c7c3ckh4cqh6s9c6cjh7stc5sksad5s4sqd6s7h2s8d9d8h3s5h8c8h5hkhtcthah9hjhq]399|300[/hv" How does one access this code to post a board? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I hate cappelletti.. lol. Second only to flannery and *gasp*! GERBER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I haven't figured it out. "hv=pc=n&s=skjha9532dqjckqj9&w=saq853hkj764dk3c2&n=st96hqt8da9654ca7&e=s742hdt872ct86543&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p1n2d(Cappelleti%20-%20both%20majors)3d(Lebensohl)p3nppp&p=s3s6s2sjdqdkdad7d4d2djd3c9c2cac4c7c3ckh4cqh6s9c6cjh7stc5sksad5s4sqd6s7h2s8d9d8h3s5h8c8h5hkhtcthah9hjhq]399|300[/hv" How does one access this code to post a board? TIAFrom the BBO web client, choose "export deal" and "handviewer link". Or get a link from www.bridgebase.com/myhands, get the movie link. Paste link into browser address bar and go there. The tinyurl thing will redirect/expand to a full URL that has all that code in there in the browser address bar. It will be [someurl?...&lin=... ]. Copy all the stuff starting with "lin=" to the clipboard to use in your post. Paste into your post. Replace "lin=" with the [hv= hand viewer link opening tag. At the end, close off the tag with the ']' close bracket, then 400|300[/hv] This part gets the size of the picture to a reasonable pixel dimension and closes the tag. So it's:[hv=(stuff you copied from browser address bar after lin=)]400|300[/hv]in your post. You can hack the stuff you copied to remove the played cards if you want, & remove/change player names. If there is an RKC Blackwood sequence or something with a robot, you have to replace the '[' and ']' characters in the URL (used in the description of blackwood) with '%5B' & '%5D', the hex for the bracket symbols, or the board parser will get confused thinking the brackets are the end of the hv tag and garble the diagram past those bids. If you are trying to compose something that wasn't a board played on BBO, use the hand editor button on the board software, the picture of a spade on the far right of the toolbar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 I hate cappelletti.. lol. Second only to flannery and *gasp*! GERBER. Honestly Flannery is good. You gotta make all the systemic adjustments to use the negative inferences though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 From the BBO web client, choose "export deal" and "handviewer link". Or get a link from www.bridgebase.com/myhands, get the movie link. Paste link into browser address bar and go there. The tinyurl thing will redirect/expand to a full URL that has all that code in there in the browser address bar. It will be [someurl?...&lin=... ]. Copy all the stuff starting with "lin=" to the clipboard to use in your post. Don't understand tinyurl. Can access the traveller.http://www.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands.php?traveller=4205-1421240400-10963745 Can find link to movie.http://www.bridgebase.com/myhands/fetchlin.php?id=15616319&when_played=1421240400 Found this site.http://tiny.cc/ "The tinyurl thing will redirect/expand to a full URL that has all that code in there in the browser address bar." Don't understand how to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masonbarge Posted January 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Don't understand tinyurl. Can access the traveller.http://www.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands.php?traveller=4205-1421240400-10963745 Can find link to movie.http://www.bridgebase.com/myhands/fetchlin.php?id=15616319&when_played=1421240400 Found this site.http://tiny.cc/ "The tinyurl thing will redirect/expand to a full URL that has all that code in there in the browser address bar." Don't understand how to do that. You don't have to do anything. When you put the "tiny" URL into your browser address bar, it automatically changes into the corresponding long URL. So if you click on a tiny URL link, you go to a page with another (usually much longer) actual URL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Don't understand tinyurl. Can access the traveller.http://www.bridgebas...240400-10963745From the traveller just select the "movie" link (not the LIN link). There is no tinyurl involved if you are going through the myhands site. Once the movie link opens you have all the code in the address bar, just copy the stuff after the lin=. If you are using the BBO web client, and hit export deal -> handviewer link, you get a popup using a tinyurl, that's what I was referring to. Copy/paste that tinyurl to the browser bar, go to the link and it will expand to something similar to the movie link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masonbarge Posted January 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Today's Cappelleti hand. I unfortunately have let a number of these disappear, including another nice strip squeeze. It did involve a very difficult to see defensive error (Cap. bidder's partner leading 9 from ♦954 rather than the 4, which enable a ♦J8 tenace to develop over the Cap. bidder at the end), but the hand was certainly down at 3NT without the Cap. bid. As David Bird showed (at least arguably) in his books on leads, even an expert's opinion of a proper play can be quite wrong in a quantitative sense. People tend to react to highly visible events -- in this case, having a great result showing a 2-suiter over a strong 1NT, while ignoring more subtle bad results it might cause. Just look at how afraid people become from an airline crash while blithely continuing to talk on their cellphone in their car, something much more likely to kill them. Anyway, lacking any better quantitative method, I'm keeping track of Cappelleti hands from BBO games. These are admittedly not expert level play in most cases, but still, I can imagine a good player looking for partner's minor instead of showing the spades here. The hand was down 2, -100 for a flat top. Down 1 would have also been 100%. http://tinyurl.com/ltav4jk Cap hand #5 On another subject, does anyone know if there is a way to export a BBO saved hand directly to the forum, rather than having to link it or recreate it in the forum hand editor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Anyway, lacking any better quantitative method, I'm keeping track of Cappelleti hands from BBO games. These are admittedly not expert level play in most cases, but still, I can imagine a good player looking for partner's minor instead of showing the spades here. What do you plan to compare them with? As Mike said, it's almost inconceivable to play anything other than natural that doesn't let you show both majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 From the traveller just select the "movie" link (not the LIN link). There is no tinyurl involved if you are going through the myhands site. Once the movie link opens you have all the code in the address bar, just copy the stuff after the lin=. I'm totally confused on which is the address bar. I copied it and got this garbage. http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?bbo=y&lin=pn|RevRay,buchananj,slamdunk7,gbd5981|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2S2457JH4JKD7QKC45%2CS89AH589TD569C23Q%2CS3TQKH3QD24TJC69J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCA%7C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 http://tinyurl.com/ltav4jkOn another subject, does anyone know if there is a way to export a BBO saved hand directly to the forum, rather than having to link it or recreate it in the forum hand editor?That's pretty much what my posts in this thread are trying to answer. Just click on your tinyurl. This will open a page with the hand diagram, and a full URL in the address bar which contains code that is basically identical to the code the forum hand editor uses. You just have to copy the section *after* the "lin=" in the URL, omit the first http://...?... section. Then you enclose inside the hv tags as indicated in my first post in this thread, with the pixel dimensions (I recommend 400|300), and the closing /hv tag.Again that's:[hv=(copied full expanded handviewer URL)]400|300[/hv] I'm totally confused on which is the address bar. I copied it and got this garbage. http://www.bridgebas...S3%7Cpc%7CCA%7CThe address bar is the box usually on the top of the browser in which you type in addresses you want to visit e.g. www.google.com or whatever. When you click on a link, such as a movie link on myhands, or the tinyurl that the BBO client gives after export hand->hand viewer link, the browser goes to that page and displays the web address in that bar. You almost got it correct. The problem is that you copied the whole link and just pasted the entire link. What you need to do is to copy just *a part* of the link, the stuff after "lin=" in the address bar. You can use your mouse, click on the address until you get a cursor, then drag over the just the end portion and copy to clipboard. Or you can copy the whole address, paste it into your post, then just lop off the http://www.bridgebase...?...lin= beginning part using the post text editor. Then add the surrounding hv tags as I describe above and in my first post. Edit:I did some testing and it looks like with current software you don't have to do any URL trimming, don't have to omit the first http://... part. All you have to do is add the enclosing hv tags, you can leave the first part of the URL in. That makes it easier. So again:[hv=(copied URL)]400|300[/hv]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 what's cappeletti got to do with anything? I mean, I don't like the convention, but I won't play without some means of showing both majors, and I am never passing as West. You can have your occasional 'road map' and I'll have my frequent pickups on boards where we find our fit.If you pass west's hand you might as well take up euchre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Today's Cappelleti hand. I unfortunately have let a number of these disappear, including another nice strip squeeze. It did involve a very difficult to see defensive error (Cap. bidder's partner leading 9 from ♦954 rather than the 4, which enable a ♦J8 tenace to develop over the Cap. bidder at the end), but the hand was certainly down at 3NT without the Cap. bid. As David Bird showed (at least arguably) in his books on leads, even an expert's opinion of a proper play can be quite wrong in a quantitative sense. People tend to react to highly visible events -- in this case, having a great result showing a 2-suiter over a strong 1NT, while ignoring more subtle bad results it might cause. Just look at how afraid people become from an airline crash while blithely continuing to talk on their cellphone in their car, something much more likely to kill them. Anyway, lacking any better quantitative method, I'm keeping track of Cappelleti hands from BBO games. These are admittedly not expert level play in most cases, but still, I can imagine a good player looking for partner's minor instead of showing the spades here. The hand was down 2, -100 for a flat top. Down 1 would have also been 100%. http://tinyurl.com/ltav4jk Cap hand #5 On another subject, does anyone know if there is a way to export a BBO saved hand directly to the forum, rather than having to link it or recreate it in the forum hand editor? [hv=pc=n&s=sakj98hkj764d97c5&w=sh9832dqjtcqjt762&n=sqt752ha5d432c984&e=s643hqtdak865cak&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=p1nppp]399|300[/hv] todays Non cappeletti/majors over 1n hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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