ArtK78 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Swiss Teams. IMPs converted to VPs. All vul. You hold: xxKQxxxxxxQxx Your partner is the dealer, and the auction goes: 2♣ - (2♥) - P* - (P)2♠ - (3♦) - ? *Shows values without a suitable natural call - game forcing Your opponents are two grand life masters. 1) What is your call?2) Do you agree with the pass over 2♥?3) What would a 3♥ bid mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 1) Hmmm.. pass is forcing, right? I'll do that. Who knows, maybe LHO puts it back to hearts http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif2) Sure, why not?3) Usually, when two suits are bid by opps, a cue shows stopper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Agree with first pass. I don't have an agreement about 3♥ here. Partner might interpret it as showing or asking a stopper, or a control, maybe with spade support ... too vague for me. As for what to do now, I consider pass again, or 3NT. Partner must have something in diamonds, but can't bid 3NT on his own without the hearts secured. Is one of my ♦x the 9? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif In the end, with ops vul, and looking at my hearts, I would like to keep penalty in the picture. So I will choose pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I partly agree with Nuno. But I probably would start taking out my "peacemakers" followed by "streetsweepers" http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif If we are not going to start doubling them (which is my 1st choice) then we have to pass. If overcaller first psyched and hot the jackpot when bid 3♦ that his pd has a clear diamonds preference, it will be ugly for us. But that does not happen very often. 3rd option is to bid 3♥ for 3 NT purposes. But I would prefer action than settling in 3 NT in this auction. But before I do anything, it is probably best to check if they had an immediate 2 suiter reds over 2♣ and if they do then try to learn what difference this auction shows for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 double and lead trump If LHO passes my double, partner can infer that I have hearts as well...4th seat doesn't have them and neither does partner (we hope). He won't play me for good hearts and good diamonds as well, so if he has a pronounced black hand, he need not sit. At least, that's what I tell myself when holding this hand :D It isn't as clear as some negative double situations, where a pass (in lieu of a double) then a double of overcaller's second suit basically shows a penalty double of the first suit with some modest length in the second. So my analogy may be mistaken, but generally here one wouldn't double 3♦ if not able to double 3♥. Btw, it would be nice to know what my x's were. I might not double with KQ543 in hearts, but definitely would with KQ9xx. Since I would know what I held if I were playing the hand, all OPs should include the spots, as best as they recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 double and lead trump If LHO passes my double, partner can infer that I have hearts as well...4th seat doesn't have them and neither does partner (we hope). He won't play me for good hearts and good diamonds as well, so if he has a pronounced black hand, he need not sit. At least, that's what I tell myself when holding this hand :D It isn't as clear as some negative double situations, where a pass (in lieu of a double) then a double of overcaller's second suit basically shows a penalty double of the first suit with some modest length in the second. So my analogy may be mistaken, but generally here one wouldn't double 3♦ if not able to double 3♥. Btw, it would be nice to know what my x's were. I might not double with KQ543 in hearts, but definitely would with KQ9xx. Since I would know what I held if I were playing the hand, all OPs should include the spots, as best as they recall.They were small x's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Our likely landing spots are 3nt or 4♠ (or 3 of something red doubled) totally dependent on the nature of partners strong hand. The only way I can find that out is to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 With what seems to be little heart cards (I assume the 9 could have been shown) I havelittle desire to penalize 2h and I would trot out 3h over 2h which to me means I have at least 1.5 heart stops and little else with a balanced hand and leave it up to partner on how to proceed. This bid has the benefit adding an additional implication to pass over 2h since it would limit the number of heart stops if nt is bid later on. With the heart 9I would have preferred pass hoping p could reopen with x. A 3h bid now might be a reasonable way of showing a heart stop and not much of anything in diamonds (which is what I would have to bid if I had originally passed with KQ9xx of hearts hoping for p to reopen with x over 2h). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I have no clue what partner's reopening double means here, with this lack of space below 3NT. If we double now I wonder if partner should work out that we have hearts rather than diamonds looking at his hand and RHO's diamond preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisg Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 They were small x's. In fact, they were not. The actual hand was 97 KQ976 J65 Q65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 In fact, they were not. The actual hand was 97 KQ976 J65 Q65.Thanks, Lou. At my table, the x's seemed smaller. I did not get a hand record. I didn't remember the ♦J, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I like my double of 3♦ even more, now, as does Timo his, I suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I like my double of 3♦ even more, now, as does Timo his, I suspect http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Almost any action other than the one that I chose would have led to a better result. I bid 3♥, intending it as natural and exposing the psych. Only there was no psych. While the meaning of 3♥ certainly is not clear (there have been several interpretations suggested above), everyone at my table (except me) thought it was a cue bid in support of spades. My partner, not one to be subtle, now bid 4NT, key card for spades (3♠ followed by 4NT would have been clearer). As I was firmly convinced that this was KEYCARD FOR HEARTS, having exposed the psych, I showed one key card. This was the hand:[hv=pc=n&s=sakqjt843hjdakqc7&w=shat8532dt9843cak&n=s97hkq976dj65cq65&e=s652h4d72cjt98432&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=2c2hpp2s3d3hp4np5dp6sppp]399|300[/hv] As I said, partner is not subtle. Had he bid 3♠ instead of 2♠ on his first rebid, or bid 3♠ over my 3♥, there would not have been any confusion. West believed my partner. After the ♣A opening lead, he saw his partner's count card and assumed that my partner would not bid RKCB with a void, so he cashed the ♥A. Down 1. On any other continuation 6♠ makes, as the ♣Q can be established for a heart pitch, and the 97 of spades are both entries to dummy. Win 3 IMPs. At the other table, a relatively untested partnership consisting of 2 good players committed the following auction (uncontested): 2♣ - 2NT*3♠ - 3NT4♣** - 4♠7♠ - All Pass * a heart positive (2♥ would have been a negative)** intended as Gerber, interpreted as natural My teammate, with AK of clubs and the ♥A on lead, did not double. He did cash out, however. Funny thing, this is really a baby hand. All South wants to do is unambiguously force to game, establish spades as trump, and ask for aces. Yet going down in a silly 6♠ contract resulted in a win of 3 IMPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I don't think you can expose the psyche easily by passing over 2H and bidding 3H next round. You can bid 3H immediately over 2H if you want, that is a natural positive in hearts. p.s. I see Mikeh's line of double and lead trumps would have worked well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'd like to ask people who psyche more than I do. If you had succesfully psyched 2♥ and got no response from partner, would you feel satisfied and shut up or would you now bid your real suit? (diamonds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 I'd like to ask people who psyche more than I do. If you had succesfully psyched 2♥ and got no response from partner, would you feel satisfied and shut up or would you now bid your real suit? (diamonds)As someone who used to psyche, I wouldn't psyche a suit lower than my real suit, and I wouldn't psyche vulnerable. I might once in a while do one of those things but never both. The problem with the first issue is you can't run without raising the level. And one would NEVER bid again,having screwed the ops successfully (which is a reasonable assessment when partner passes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisg Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Funny thing, this is really a baby hand. All South wants to do is unambiguously force to game, establish spades as trump, and ask for aces. FYP. Did no one just open 4NT with this hand? Everyone that I know plays this either as Blackwood or a specific ace ask. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I'd like to ask people who psyche more than I do. If you had succesfully psyched 2♥ and got no response from partner, would you feel satisfied and shut up or would you now bid your real suit? (diamonds) I would definitely shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Psyches are rare, but I have never, ever seen someone psyching a suit and afterwards voluntarily bid the real one...http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 That was my first impression also, so there you go Art, you should had knew a psyche was really unlikelly after 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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