mgoetze Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 [hv=sn=nn=mgoetze&n=S2HAK4DAKQT42CK72&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=PP1CD1D!(hearts)1S2C?]133|200[/hv]I hope noone considers this a 1♦ overcall? Anyway, your bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 2♦ - partner knows it is red at IMPs, I don't expect this to remotely end the auction. If we belong in 3nt we should still be able to get there without me blasting it right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 2♦ - partner knows it is red at IMPs, I don't expect this to remotely end the auction. I sure hope it doesn't end the auction, as it is forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 3♦. Can't get more descriptive than this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 [hv=sn=nn=mgoetze&n=S2HAK4DAKQT42CK72&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=PP1CD1D!(hearts)1S2C?]133|200[/hv]I hope noone considers this a 1♦ overcall? Anyway, your bid now? 3♦ is better than 2♦ imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 As pds 1S is a free bid, and I have stops in all the other suits, I bid game. 3NT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 As pds 1S is a free bid, and I have stops in all the other suits, I bid game. 3NT Actually I like this better than my 3♦, as long as pd doesn't take it as some sort of gigantic balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 3♦. Can't get more descriptive than this. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithhus Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Initially, I would have bid 3NT but having read comments, I can see 3D as being "more descriptive" and keeping bidding open. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 [hv=sn=nn=mgoetze&n=S2HAK4DAKQT42CK72&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=PP1CD1D!(hearts)1S2C?]133|200|I hope noone considers this a 1♦ overcall? Anyway, your bid now?[/hv] IMO Over (1♣) ??: 1♦ = 10, 3N = 9, Double = 8.Now ??: 3N = 10, 3♦ = 9, 2♦ = 6. A possible drawback to 3♦ is that it makes it harder to reach 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_beer Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 [hv=sn=nn=mgoetze&n=S2HAK4DAKQT42CK72&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=PP1CD1D!(hearts)1S2C?]133|200[/hv]I hope noone considers this a 1♦ overcall? Anyway, your bid now? I think it is very close to a 1♦ overcall and would do that if partner was not a passed hand. Once partner passes he is a lot less likely to have a hand that is going to bid 4♠ when I make a takeout double although he could still have one. Having doubled I like 3NT. 3♦ describes my hand but may force partner to raise ♦ when we belong in 3NT. He may be able to hedge with 3♥ but may have a hand that can't do that. I think 3♦ is forcing since I have shown an old-fashioned strong jump overcall and partner is supposed to have a little somethng for 1♠. I don't like 2♦ because it doesn't show a suit that is this good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I sure hope it doesn't end the auction, as it is forcing.I think that's standard, but is it the best way to play? 2♦ could also be used to show something like a 3451 hand with extras (around 15 points). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think that's standard, but is it the best way to play? 2♦ could also be used to show something like a 3451 hand with extras (around 15 points).If I wanted to bid again with that shape, I would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_beer Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think that's standard, but is it the best way to play? 2♦ could also be used to show something like a 3451 hand with extras (around 15 points). I think that 2♦ is also forcing but shows a different hand than 3♦. Even if it isn't forcing partner bid only 1♠ and you are inviting game opposite a maximum or a hand improved by ♦ fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't understand bidding 3♦. With which of the following three statements to the 3♦ bidders disagree?If I double-and-bid-a-suit, I want partner to raise me with a fit.If I bid 3♦ and partner raises, I can no longer play 3NT.With my actual hand, I probably want to play 3NT. Is partner supposed to figure out that 3♦ shows stoppers in the opponent suits, and bid 3NT over 3♦ with a fit? In any case, to me 3♦ shows a more distributional hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I don't understand bidding 3♦. With which of the following three statements to the 3♦ bidders disagree?If I double-and-bid-a-suit, I want partner to raise me with a fit.If I bid 3♦ and partner raises, I can no longer play 3NT.With my actual hand, I probably want to play 3NT. Is partner supposed to figure out that 3♦ shows stoppers in the opponent suits, and bid 3NT over 3♦ with a fit? In any case, to me 3♦ shows a more distributional hand. This is why I retreated from my 3♦ and decided to bid 3 NT as fourdad suggested. EDIT: By the way, 2♦ being forcing or not pretty much depends on what 1♠ free bid means to you. To me, when doubler implied a suit and I fail to bid it at 1 level, I am either very broke and balanced, or I do not have that suit. i.e QTxxx x xx xxxxx is enough for me to bid 1♠. I have seen so many times the train has long gone if I fail to bid it now, when pd is likely to be short in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontoleon Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 i just need more information. Imb, macthpoint, total point, what? and the vulnerable , non vulnerable? I just thing that this hand have less than 50% change to win game. First the 1D promise at least 5 diamons, so is possible j 9 in East. so i cant count 9 tricks in nt. i count only 6,5... Maybe i am ultra wrong now(but from me 3nt here i beter end than 3d) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 i just need more information. Imb, macthpoint, total point, what? and the vulnerable , non vulnerable? I just thing that this hand have less than 50% change to win game. First the 1D promise at least 5 diamons, so is possible j 9 in East. so i cant count 9 tricks in nt. i count only 6,5... Maybe i am ultra wrong now(but from me 3nt here i beter end than 3d)It's a 28 board team match, IMPs. As always on board 18, NS are vulnerable and EW are not - you can also see this by the fact the E and W have a white background in the bidding diagram, while N and S have a red background. 1♦ showed 4+ hearts (click on bids with a yellow background for explanation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHYIGAL1 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 i really don't understand why a simple jump to 3nt is not the verdict here by everyone. pd has something in his 1sp bid.... opp will not lead sp here probably.u have a stopper in cl and the lead will be in cl 99% of time. than u take ur 9 tricks on top. if u can't take ur 9 tricks on top... u write " SORRY PD", and go to the next board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foobar Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Agree with actions so far -- IMO, 3N is best at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 [hv=sn=haui85&s=SQT9863HQ95D985C6&wn=rolandro&w=SAKJ7H73D63CAT843&nn=mgoetze&n=S2HAK4DAKQT42CK72&en=game%20over&e=S54HJT862DJ7CQJ95&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=PP1CD1D(%21h)1S2C3DPPP&p=S5S8SKS2D3DAD7D5H4H2HQH3C6CAC2CQD6DKDJD8&c=11]600|450[/hv]I guess partner was ashamed of having bid with only 4 points. I felt he needs to bid 3♠ anyway. But I can see how 3♦ made the auction more difficult. Cayne and Garozzo were more on the same page:[hv=sn=JEC&s=SQT9863HQ95D985C6&wn=phoenix214&w=SAKJ7H73D63CAT843&nn=sillafu&n=S2HAK4DAKQT42CK72&en=stunvite&e=S54HJT862DJ7CQJ95&d=e&v=n&b=18&a=PP1C(2+%21C)D1D!(%21h)3SP3NPPP&p=HJH5H7HADAD7D5D3&c=9]600|450[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 How JEC bid was the correct way to describe his hand imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_beer Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 How JEC bid was the correct way to describe his hand imo. And if he had a slightly different hand he might have bid 4♠ and we regret having made the takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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