jillybean Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Vulnerable vs. not, MP , 3♣ here shows 2 suited hand, hearts and clubs.Having this gadget, do you bid? If you change the vulnerability or scoring does it change your answer? [hv=pc=n&s=s8hk6543d97cj9862&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1s]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I'm vul at MP and you expect me to go to the 3 level on that POS lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 To be kind, I wouldn't even do it at NV vs Vul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I would hope that this gadget comes with a partnership agreement as to the strength required at various levels and vulnerabilities. I also hope, like the other posters, that the agreement does not include bidding on this particular hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Why should I let the other side declare double dummy when they inevitably buy the contract? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 There's nothing in this hand to recommend making your side's initial competitive bid at any vulnerability. Anyone making a bid with this hand at the 3 level likely has a deadly desire to accumulate telephone numbers. The only bid you might consider is a raise if PARTNER finds shows a rounded suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 To be kind, I wouldn't even do it at NV vs VulI'd not dream of it either. It's nice to have gadgets. I have a gadget here called Michaels to bid 2♠ to show ♥ and a minor. However, it is often best to find reasons to NOT use a gadget rather than to stretch to find ways to use a gadget. Having 4 HCP and two lousy suits in a 5521 hand certainly gives me more than enough reasons to not use a gadget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 This must be some kind of ruling question surely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 This must be some kind of ruling question surelyYes, perhaps the score was entered improperly for 3♣X down 7 vulnerable :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 To be kind, I wouldn't even do it at NV vs VulTo be kind perhaps it was Kathryn's PD who bid 3♣ here or who was seriously considering it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Thinking about using this convention on this hand is about as awful as the convention itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 You'd need a 1NT = lolish 2-suiter here to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=s8hk6543d98cj9862&w=st63htdkjt6542cq5&n=skq2ha982dcakt743&e=saj9754hqj7daq73c]399|300[/hv] :ph34r: 5 of the red suits , 4♠ and 5♣ makes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 If partner bids 3C and I'm holding the North hand, I'm bidding at least 6 and checking for 7 along the way (void KQxxx Qxx QJxxx?). Passing first will probably land you in 5C. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Bidding with a two suited yarb r/w is very bad. Its not just because we are volunteering a number but because we don't rate to buy the hand and we are telling declarer how to play the hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Vulnerable vs. not, MP , 3♣ here shows 2 suited hand, hearts and clubs.Having this gadget, do you bid? If you change the vulnerability or scoring does it change your answer? [hv=pc=n&s=s8hk6543d97cj9862&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1s]133|200[/hv] Absolutely 100 percent no. At no form of scoring and no vulnerability.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyunuS Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 No, and it's not even that close. I would think you'd need at least about 10 HCP to make such a bid vul with that distribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Apparently in practice you don't need to bid, as pard will come up with some club bid later and you can raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 1S (P) 2S (3C)4S (5C) ???? Looks a likely start to the auction. No idea where it ends up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 1S (P) 2S (3C)4S (5C) ???? Looks a likely start to the auction. No idea where it ends up though. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 1S (P) 2S (3C)4S (5C) ???? Looks a likely start to the auction. No idea where it ends up though. The above is reasonable at favorable V, not V vs NV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydoc Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 pass pass pass pass any bid gets zero and pass 10 - in the real bridge world a bid on this is suicidal - have seen this work on BBO on occaision - but collect way more numbers than the odd time it works - if we can make anything pard still has a turn. daffydoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=s8hk6543d98cj9862&w=st63htdkjt6542cq5&n=skq2ha982dcakt743&e=saj9754hqj7daq73c]399|300[/hv] :ph34r: 5 of the red suits , 4♠ and 5♣ makesthat's nice but if you miss game its not because you failed to overcall one 4 pts. its up to partner to show strong hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 If your 3C showed 5-5 in H an C and precisely 4 HCP, then my guess is that in the long term, yes even vul v not, you stand to gain more than you lose by bidding 3C when the hand comes up, even allowing for the high likelihood that you will not buy the hand. However the reality is that you will also want to compete on stronger hands with that shape, and where this overcall falls down is if you expand the range of values to include those stronger hands. You cannot afford to devote several overcalls to show 5-5 in H and C of different ranges, and the stronger hands are more important to describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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