Jinksy Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 IMPs. My BBO random expert partner was helpful enough to criticise me for not having rebid 3♠. Given that we were playing 2/1*, I wasn't sure who should have acted more aggressively. [hv=pc=n&s=sak9832hakd987cj9&n=sq4h954da6532ca84&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1sp1np2sppp]266|200[/hv] * Well, we must have been, despite his profile saying 'SAYC' and mine saying 'your card'. You can tell from the bidding, and his expertise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 2s bid totally normal. Passing with 2 aces and qx of spades totally abnormal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Sometimes you can be max for your 2S bid. Nth should bid 3S. Bidding 2NT is horrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted January 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Good point. I got as far as thinking 'pass looks wrong', then my brain switched off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 * Well, we must have been, despite his profile saying 'SAYC' and mine saying 'your card'. You can tell from the bidding, and his expertise. I would't assume anything with a random partner unless discussed, much like the field for skill level is not very useful, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 North could be playing SAYC* ..... According to the book Standard Bidding with SAYC by Ned Downey and Ellen Pomer (Caitlin),(page 33), responding to a Major: - Minimum range 6-9/10HCP and littler interest in game unless partner is very strong. I don't think your hand counts as very strong. However that's a very poorly evaluated hand and if playing SAYC I would bid 2D. If it is 2/1 then passing 2S is another poor evaluation. Playing 2/1 I might be tempted to bid 3S with South cards and Vul if I know partner is conservative and doesn't just automatically accept invites, but expect to be in a tough game if partner raises. *In my experience in MBC very few people who have SAYC in their profile are even aware it is a full system and just think it means 5-card majors and strong 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerclub Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 The question for responder is not "PASS, 2NT or 3S?" It is "3S or 4S?" and anything else is not even close. Here are some (sub) minimum hands for opener where 4S is cold or at least highly probable: AKxxxx, x, xx, Kxxx (lose 1 trick in each suit other than trump) or JT9xx, Ax, KQxx, Qx (lose 2 trump and either a H or a C but not both). It is absolutely golden to have your Aces outside partner's suit and your fill card (QS) in her suit. There is no better 10 count that lacks a third trump or void. I am not saying I voted 4S, I didn't. But 4S is better than PASS which is barely worse than 2NT. Responder cannot bid 3D as that would show 6 diamonds and a near bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 [hv=pc=n&s=sak9832hakd987cj9&n=sq4h954da6532ca84&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1sp1np2sppp]266|200|IMPs. My BBO random expert partner was helpful enough to criticise me for not having rebid 3♠. Given that we were playing 2/1*, I wasn't sure who should have acted more aggressively.* Well, we must have been, despite his profile saying 'SAYC' and mine saying 'your card'. You can tell from the bidding, and his expertise.[/hv] IMOAfter 1♠ - 1N - ??: 2♠ = 10, 3♠ = 9, 2N = 8, 2♣ (Gazzilli) = 11 :)After 1♠ - 1N - 2♠ - ??: 3♠ = 10, 2N = 9, Pass = 7. 2s bid totally normal. Passing with 2 aces and qx of spades totally abnormal IMO a 3♠ rebid is a reasonable shot if partner would pass 1♠ on poor hands. Sometimes you can be max for your 2S bid. Nth should bid 3S. Bidding 2NT is horrible. IMO, Jinksy's 2N might work better when opener is weaker.♠ A K x x x x ♥ Q x x ♦ J x ♣ Q x when 3♠ is in jeopardy.♠ A K x x x x ♥ A J x ♦ J x ♣ J x when 3N is safer than 4♠. After 1♠ - 1N - 2♠ - 3♠ - ?? Should South consider 3N as well as 4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 We've seen this honour structure for North in two previous threads. I was a lone voice for jumping to 3NT as I recall, then someone dug up an almost identical hand where Fred did the same. I would suggest that a jump to 3NT should show this hand type - two aces plus a spade honour. The point is you have 9 tricks opposite AKxxxx plus the heart ace or a min suit king. It's slightly easier if you play constructive twos in a major, so 1M then 2M is known to be pretty sound. As an aside, I think 2NT over 2♠ should be forcing - if we are not playing in game, it is usually right to prefer 3♠ to 2NT, and the forcing treatment allows us to explore strain more efficiently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 By definition, blame always goes to the opening poster http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif In my book opener's rebid is 3♠, while responder's rebid to 2♠ is obviously 3♠ (or 3NT if you feel frisky lol). Both get 100% :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Whether N bids 1NT or 2D does not alter that S has the count and shape for 3S. So I give S 100% on the "first error rules" philosophy. Having said that, I would bid 3S over 2S with the N cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 South has 6 losers that need covering, so there should not be too many hands that pass 2♠ where game is good. I don't regard 3♠ as being remotely worthy of even meriting discussion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 KNR has it as a 17 count, but DK points has it at 15? The AK of spades is great, but his other HCP are in short suits. Hand doesn't feel like it is worth significantly more or less than the 15 HCP evaluation imho. I play Gaz, so 1S-1NT-3S is 15-16, and I'd try that here, but playing standard methods this does not feel like a tasty 16+ that I need to bid 3S here. I mean, if this is 3S, what does partner need to raise a 2S to 3S after a NF 1NT being corrected to 2S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 N should bid 3s over 2s (even thinking about anything else (especially strain) is bad to worse). Everyone has their favorite"rules" of how to accept a game invite after 1M 1N 3M. Mine happensto be 2 aces or greater than 8. Note that the south hand is not strong enough to invite with 3M since 2 aces does not yield game. N should realize their 2 aces + working trump Q is more than strong enough to invite game since opener did not bid 3M where only 2 aces would be enough for game. I realize that the pass of 2s can easily be written off to thesteady dilution of opening bid value but this is IMPS not MP so missinga vul game because one is too afraid of going down just makes no economical sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 I don't regard 3♠ as being remotely worthy of even meriting discussion. Let's agree to disagree then lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 3♠ rebid by opener is absurd imo, unless you are playing strong club. Pass with 2 bullets and Qx spade was weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 We missed a game last night on the identical auction in speedball time trouble. I said nothing but after the round pard chatted I can't believe I passed 2♠! All caps and with 4 of these :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerclub Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 After 1♠ - 1N - 2♠ - ??: 3♠ = 10, 2N = 9, Pass = 7. I think you need to rank 4S as better than Pass. 2 outside Aces and a filling Q are nearly if not fully an opening bid. After 1♠ - 1N - 2♠ - 3♠ - ?? Should South consider 3N as well as 4♠? Depends on how much you trust partner . . . pretty damn sure that 2S shows 6, but if there is any chance that partner will read it as 5, then no. And anyway, you have two unbid suits unstopped plus you have "tight" honors in the H suit, so no don't try 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkvaran Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Some experts play 1sp-1NT-2H, as a good 2SP, and 2D showing hearts, (would be perfect here) :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Some experts play 1sp-1NT-2H, as a good 2SP, and 2D showing hearts, (would be perfect here) :-) So how do they show Ds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkvaran Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 1sp- 1nt - 2cl (shows diamonds), you cannot show clubs on the 2 level. 3 cl would be forcing with clubs, 1sp-1nt-2 nt shows invitational with clubs. If you prefer, you could switch the two last ones.. Worst hand would be 15-16 and 5-2-2-4 (you might open 1nt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkvaran Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 So how do they show Ds? 1sp-1nt-2cl (showing Ds). 1sp-1nt-2nt,(invitational with clubs). 1 sp-1nt-3cl (forcing with clubs)- 5-2-2-4 and 15-16, open 1 NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkvaran Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 1sp-1nt-2cl (showing Ds). 1sp-1nt-2nt,(invitational with clubs). 1 sp-1nt-3cl (forcing with clubs)- 5-2-2-4 and 15-16, open 1 NT This system can be used with precision as well, and you can fine tune it even more... 1 sp-1nt-3H (showing single clubs).1 sp-1nt-2D-2H-3H (swowing single D) This last one works perfect with strong club system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbl me Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 3S by N is about right. Aces are undervalued by the Goren point count, and Qx of a rebid suit is like gold. A jump to 4S, however, is too much of a good thing, as partner is permitted to hold a bare minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 So how do they show Ds? Diamonds are the new clubs. Who needs to actually show minor suits? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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