Opening bid

[scarletv]

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What would you open and how to continue?

[mgoetze]

Hm, I would happily blast 5♦ in 1st or 3rd seat... but since I am in 2nd I just might bid 1♦, rebid 3♦ and then rebid diamonds again as often as necessary.

[whereagles]

Plans:

 

1. Open 1♦, rebid 5♦.

2. Open 5♦ and dbl whatever opponents bid to show side tricks.

3. Open 2♣ and rebid 5♦.

 

To me it's a bit of a coin toss, but table vibes can help you decide.

[eagles123]

I would just bid 5d sorry p if it's wrong :)

[Jinksy]

5♦ is tempting, but I don't see the point with so much defence. There might be no making games around, or our only one might be 3N. Not sure what my rebid is, tbh, but I'm relying on the opps to make that problem easier for me.

[Fluffy]

With so much defense I will rather open 1♦ so partner can judge better over 5M later. Being in second position makes it more obvious.

[ggwhiz]

Slam is on opposite not very much (♠A and ♥K might be enough) given that rho already passed. I'm not giving up on it by opening 5♦. If they find a good save after I open 1♦, so be it.

[scarletv]

At least one of you was thinking of opening 2♣ what actually happened. Not 1♦ and not 5♦. I was completely lost in this bidding. As you can see slam did not make - just the wrong values. I could not believe that my hand was not enough to make slam opposite a 2♣ opener. BTW what is 4♦ in this bidding sequence?

 

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[whereagles]

4♦ sets trumps and asks pard to bid a control (which he did).

 

Opener's 5♦ shows lack of spade control, so I'm not sure 6NT was a good bid.

[Jinksy]

But it also shows lack of club control, and he obviously(!) must have one for bidding 2♣, so I think it suggests he has no idea what he's doing (if the 2♣ opening didn't tip us off).

[Fluffy]

2♣ + jump = this is trumps cuebid whatever ace, king or singleton you've got.

 

did the opponent really underlead AJx against 6NT?, you gotta report this guys.

[the hog]

5d in all seats. 2c is insane

[The_Badger]

A 2♣opening should be based on a few quick tricks outside an obvious trump suit. This hand is more pre-emptive in nature - one long suit - but really isn't pre-emptive as it is 1) far far too strong 2) one opponent has already passed.

 

The rule of 2 and 3 (used for pre-empts) says that you should have about 8 tricks and little defence to open 5♦. If the suit had been ♦KQJ10xxxxx with nothing outside, 5♦ is a perfect opening bid. This hand has 10 tricks, so to pre-empt looks completely wrong.

 

Therefore open 1♦ and see where it leads. If the ops outbid you so be it. As for rebidding, 5♦ looks favourite, but technically it is a strong hand with solid trumps and not easy to judge.

 

When partner incorrectly opens 2♣ and then jumps in a suit it says the suit is solid, and sets the suit as trumps. So, on the actual auction his 4♦ is technically correct even though his 2♣ opening isn't.

[monikrazy]

2c for me

 

9+ tricks in a minor-orientated hand seems sufficient

 

If ops jam auction to 5S+ we may face some tough decisions but probably no tougher than those of our partner deciding whether to bid slam or not over 5d if we can have hands this strong in our range

[masonbarge]

At least one of you was thinking of opening 2♣ what actually happened. Not 1♦ and not 5♦. I was completely lost in this bidding. As you can see slam did not make - just the wrong values. I could not believe that my hand was not enough to make slam opposite a 2♣ opener. BTW what is 4♦ in this bidding sequence?

 

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4♦ sets the trump suit. That 6NT nonsense is going to earn a dirty look, or worse, from partner for taking control of the hand. By sheer fortune, 6♦ makes and East has really messed up :)

 

I agree with the 2♣ but I'd bid Blackwood over 4♥. Then East passes 5♦. Or I can shoot for a top with a slam even off one ace.

[mgoetze]

That 6NT nonsense is going to earn a dirty look, or worse, from partner for taking control of the hand.

LOL ... don't know if you're serious but it's hilarious either way.

[the hog]

Well here's the thing: if I hold a 14 count and my partner opens 2C and slam has no play, then partner DID NOT HAVE A 2C OPENING. So the 2C openers, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

1D is fine, 5D is better imo and 2C is absurd.

[Mbodell]

Well here's the thing: if I hold a 14 count and my partner opens 2C and slam has no play, then partner DID NOT HAVE A 2C OPENING. So the 2C openers, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

1D is fine, 5D is better imo and 2C is absurd.

 

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Unlucky. I think a 2♣ by this N is fine (has just 3 losers, and has 7 spade + 1 diamond + 1 club for 9 sure tricks in its own hand) and the 14 point hand opposite has no slam possible thanks to the 2 quick heart tricks.

 

I agree the W hand in the original post is likely best described by a call other than 2♣.

[scarletv]

1) I don't think this 14 count is really equivalent to the one above. More points in queens and jacks and less in A and K for example.

 

2) When my p bid 5♦ her hand seemed to miss controls in spade and club possibly having ♥A. I guessed something went wrong in bidding but did not know what. I did not imagine she has something like QJ AJ AKQJxxxx Q or weaker in controls for a 2♣ opening in diamond.

[ayebee]

In order of preference

 

5♦

It is likely to make and hoping that partner will bid a slam holding a couple of aces and keep quiet otherwise. Also it pre-empts opps possible major suit slam or sacrifice.

 

3NT is very risky - attractive at pairs but less so at other forms of scoring as if it makes then so probably will 5♦. A black suit lead may see you lose the first 5 tricks and a heart lead knocking out your entry may mean you cannot run your diamonds.

 

1♦ is correct but a little tame for the hand.

With this sort of distribution its quite likely that opps have something in one of the majors. Opening at the one level may allow them to get in. I especially don't like this playing 5 card majors either - how many times do you rebid the suit to convince partner you have nine?!

 

2♣ mis-describes the essentially pre-emptive nature of the hand although it just about qualifies as a strong hand.

OK if you can trust partner to respect your sign off in 5♦ and not get over excited. (No I don't like that 6NT bid).

Also it's still low enough for OPPs to come in with a good major suit.

[Cthulhu D]

2♣ mis-describes the essentially pre-emptive nature of the hand although it just about qualifies as a strong hand.

OK if you can trust partner to respect your sign off in 5♦ and not get over excited. (No I don't like that 6NT bid).

Also it's still low enough for OPPs to come in with a good major suit.

 

If you are going to open this 2C, you need to have a very clear agreement about what your 3D, 4D and 5D rebids show vs a direct 5D. I think if you are going to open 2C, you cannot bid 4D as hands richer in HCP but lesser in shape (say, KQ x AKQJxxx AQJ might want to do that). I certainly wouldn't bid like this in a pick up partnership, but given you are non vul, is there anything wrong with playing that a direct 5D is 9 playing tricks and 2C->5D is 10 playing tricks? (or if that is too scary, try 10 and 11). Then partner has a much better idea of if to punt 6D with 2 or 3 aces.

[ArtK78]

I find it hard to stomach that several posters believe that 2♣ is the correct opening on this hand. Still, even after opening 2♣, slam should be avoided. I do have an agreement with my regular partner that a 2♣ opening followed by an immediate game bid shows a powerful trick taking hand with less than the traditional values for a 2♣ opening. But the line has to be drawn somewhere, and this is WAY below that line.

 

1♦ followed by 5♦ is a reasonable description of this hand. It shows a 5♦ opening bid that has values, not just long diamonds.

[bdegrande]

At least one of you was thinking of opening 2♣ what actually happened. Not 1♦ and not 5♦. I was completely lost in this bidding. As you can see slam did not make - just the wrong values. I could not believe that my hand was not enough to make slam opposite a 2♣ opener. BTW what is 4♦ in this bidding sequence?

 

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I play your hand as an absolute slam force opposite a 2♣ opener and my only question would be whether we should be bidding a grand. 2♣ completely misdescribes that hand. I would open 1♦, likely rebidding 5♦, but opening 5♦ is also much better than 2♣

[Lovera]

It'd a correct bidding with chicane in heart and Qxx in spade but with two Aces and (let's say) more a King (1/2 trick) is not good for a pre-empt and also 2♣ is wrong because we have more losers (x 5) than points.