Flame Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Had a triable match vs very good players, we lost 25-1 B) We had two misunderstandings.The first2♣ -2♦(weak, or wait)2NT -3♥(trans)3♠-4♦(natural)4NTwhat is 4nt here ?the second1♠ (3♦) D (3♥)DWhat is this double ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 2♣ -2♦(weak, or wait)2NT -3♥(trans)3♠-4♦(natural)4NTwhat is 4nt here ? 2 spades, 3 diamonds, 22-24 hcp i guess 1♠ (3♦) D (3♥)DWhat is this double ? i think i'd view it as penalty if the first double was negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 2♣ -2♦(weak, or wait)2NT -3♥(trans)3♠-4♦(natural)4NTwhat is 4nt here ? At IMPS, plain Ace ask.It makes sense to be able to stop in 4NT *at pairs*, where 5D would score less than NT games. But at teams, it is better to orient the system towards not missing slams and content ourselves of bid a few more games in the minors rather than in NT. Here, the strong balanced opener almost surely has 3 card support for one of responder's red suits (this sequence guarantees at least 55, if not 65).So, if slam is not there, opener could simply have signed off in 4H or 5D. 1♠ (3♦) D (3♥)DWhat is this double ? Takeout, very strong hand.Shape and hcp can vary: the more offshape, the more hcp opener needs.Sample hands: AKJxx-AQx-Jxx-AJ--->offshape hand but extra hcpAKxxx-x-Axx-KQJx---> minimum hcp but perfect shape [EDIT: I had not seen responder's double. In that case, my view is that opener is strongly suggesting a penalty] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Had a triable match vs very good players, we lost 25-1 B) We had two misunderstandings.The first2♣ -2♦(weak, or wait)2NT -3♥(trans)3♠-4♦(natural)4NTwhat is 4nt here ?the second1♠ (3♦) D (3♥)DWhat is this double ? 1. Sign off, no slam interest, typically 2-3 in spades and diamonds. Could conceivably be 2-4 with honour concentration in hearts and clubs. 2. Extras, no clear direction (or no descriptive bid available if you like). Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Auction one. No heart fit, concentration of hcp in the black suits. Willingness to play 4NT Auction two. Penalty, also leaning towards psyche exposing double. Partner doubled 3♦ showeing hearts and likely clubs. With hearts you double here, without hearts you can rebid spades or clubs. It is highly unlikley that RHO can have enough to make a forcing call in the unbid major after 1) You opened, and 2) partner made a negative double..but it doesn't have to show four hearts, Three to the Qxx and values is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 First hand: Certainly not ace (or keycard) asking. If opener really likes a spades or diamonds, he can cue-bid a club or heart control to say so. Responder is the captain here; makes little sense for opener to be taking over. Second hand: a not-purely-penalty, penalty double. Responder has shown hearts, so opener doesn't need a trump stack, just s defensive oriented hand, I wouldn't even require extras, just a strong preference for defending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Board 1:3♥ was transfer! If you read the original post. But I don't see a fit here, so I don't think NT is about aces. Board 2:Should be penalty, if the other double was ether negative or takeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted March 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Ok thxs so far, now what do you bid with my hand1. [hv=s=sqxxxxhxdkjxxxcjx]133|100|[/hv]THinking partner will have a heart suit i decided it is better to bid 2d over 2c and not 2s , is that good ? anyway what do i bid over 4NT? (Partner is known to be a bit agressive with his NT bids)2. [hv=s=sqxxxxhxdkjxxxcjx]133|100|[/hv]I decided to double 3D, do you think it was a right decision ? and what do you bid over partner's double of 3H ? (all vul) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Board 2:Should be penalty, if the other double was ether negative or takeout. Penalty doubles hardly exist any more for a start. Partner has hearts, so he can leave my double in if he prefers. Secondly, why am I not allowed to show extras with a hand that is stuck for a bid? AKJxxxxQxAQxx Ben wants me to bid 4♣ with that hand I take it. That would look silly if the right spot was 3NT or 3♥X. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Ok thxs so far, now what do you bid with my hand1. [hv=s=sqxxxxhxdkjxxxcjx]133|100|[/hv]THinking partner will have a heart suit i decided it is better to bid 2d over 2c and not 2s , is that good ? anyway what do i bid over 4NT? (Partner is known to be a bit agressive with his NT bids)2. [hv=s=sqxxxxhxdkjxxxcjx]133|100|[/hv]I decided to double 3D, do you think it was a right decision ? and what do you bid over partner's double of 3H ? (all vul) 1. PASS. 2. 5♣. I don't mind the double of 3♦ since it shows 4 hearts. Now we must get to clubs. I bid what I think I can make when partner shows extras. We may have a slam on, but that would be pure guessing. "Plussschreiben und gewinnen". The same German sentence I have used before. This time it means that "the scores belong in the WE column". 4♣ is non forcing, so that's out of the question. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted March 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 4♣ is non forcing, so that's out of the question. What would you bid if you play with Ben (who think double of 3h is penalty) ?I thought like Ben that we must have a way to expose this kind of psychs, bidding 3h at these situations is free when you have a diamond fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 2. [hv=s=sxxhjxxxdcaq10xxxx]133|100|[/hv]I decided to double 3D, do you think it was a right decision ? and what do you bid over partner's double of 3H ? (all vul) I don't like the negative double (I'd hate for partner to convert it to penalty), but seems you got away with it. You wanted to bid 4-non-forcing-clubs, which is why you started with a double, now I'd follow through and bid 4C. Yes, they could be trying to steal our heart fit, but I don't really care so much with the clubs I'm holding. I think with 55 in the majors, opener should have bid 4H over 3H, so that his double here just shows defensive orientation, not a true heart stack. They may have made things difficult for us with the 3H bid (which could be a non-suit), but sometimes they get us, and the auction is not over. Though I'm not confident that we'll ever be able to stop in hearts without doing some guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanbari Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 partner's 3h x is penalty, so i pass the x to confirm my 4card hearts. if opp pull to 4d, and partner didn't bid 4h, then i would bid 5c later on. SHAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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