diana_eva Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 IMPs, random game on BBO. Random pd, no namyats or fancy agreements whatsoever. [hv=pc=n&s==SH92DAKQJ642CAK83&d=w&v=n&a=P4SP?]140|200[/hv] Would you raise, or do something here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Pass. Even in an established p, ... in my regular p, I guess I have to raise to 6S.I am still waiting to see a 2nd red vs. green 4S opening bid in our partnership. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Pass, I think. Heart lead looks a little too easy for opps to find, even if I just blasted six, and P should have a robust suit, but could easily be missing the A or K, which will make 5♠ too high unless he does happen to have a heart control (which looks odds against). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I passed too. Pd wasn't happy, but before storming off he was kind enough to explain why I owed him a raise: "My 10 tricks + 2 aces = 12" Duh!!! FWIW the field agreed, our table was the only one in game :P I know it's silly, but I learned something for random play :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I passed too. Pd wasn't happy, but before storming off he was kind enough to explain why I owed him a raise: "My 10 tricks + 2 aces = 12" Duh!!! FWIW the field agreed, our table was the only one in game :P I know it's silly, but I learned something for random play :)Maybe, just maybe, the field didn't agree with your partner's 4♠ opening? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 KqjtxxxxkjxXX Seems like obv 4s bid I wonder how ur p would react if he held that and u bid slam???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 (edited) Maybe, just maybe, the field didn't agree with your partner's 4♠ opening? Vast majority opened 4♠, but i think some went the slow route with a 1♠ opener. Partner had AKQ9xxxxx in spades and stiff ♥A. There were plenty 4♠ - 6♠ to support partner's theory. EDIT: I found the hand and more people played it meanwhile. Now the most reached slam via a 2♣ opener! [hv=pc=n&s=SH92DAKQJ642CAK83&n=SAKQ975432HAD83CQ]133|200[/hv] Edited December 27, 2014 by diana_eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 4s lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 4s lolLets make the North hand more realistic, exchange the Ace of hearts with a small x,4S is now a reasonable opening bid.Besides, ... as long as we give opener a running spade suit, the slam may be on, unless they lead hearts.Having said this, playing with a random p, assuming he has a running suit is bettingwith low odds of winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Lets make the North hand more realistic, exchange the Ace of hearts with a small x,4S is now a reasonable opening bid. Yep. Was thinking same thing at the table, he didn't even need the HA for slam and 4S would be OK there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 But kjtxxxxx kxx xx - Is also 4s bid and even 4 level is far from safe. Honestly think that if u open this kind of hand at 4 level u have to accept missing slam sometimes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 But kjtxxxxx kxx xx - Is also 4s bid and even 4 level is far from safe. Honestly think that if u open this kind of hand at 4 level u have to accept missing slam sometimesYes, if this hand qualifies, which it would for lots of peoble, than pass is clear.But you could sharpen the definition of your preempts in 2nd seat red vs. green, and than the handmay only qualify for 3S or 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I wouldn't consider opening the actual hand 4♠. If people want to do so, that's their decision, and could be a long-run winner (I doubt it). But if they miss a slam as a result, that's their cross to bear. Never mind the hands eagles has been posting, with those outside kings bolstering them - I would consider eg KQJTxxxx xxx - xx a WTP 4♠ in any seat except 4th at any vul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Lets make the North hand more realistic, exchange the Ace of hearts with a small x,4S is now a reasonable opening bid.In third or fourth seat, yes. Not in first and certainly not in second where there is a good chance that you will preempt your unlimited partner.Having said this, playing with a random p, assuming he has a running suit is bettingwith low odds of winning.I fully agree with this. The whole thing becomes clear when you hear opener's comment: He thinks a 4♠ opening shows 10 top tricks. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 In third or fourth seat, yes. Not in first and certainly not in second where there is a good chance that you will preempt your unlimited partner. I fully agree with this. The whole thing becomes clear when you hear opener's comment: He thinks a 4♠ opening shows 10 top tricks. Rik Yup. Remember this guy and DON'T double him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Pass. 4♠ may not even make!!! (♥AK, 2 trump losers) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I passed too. Pd wasn't happy, but before storming off he was kind enough to explain why I owed him a raise: "My 10 tricks + 2 aces = 12" Duh!!! LOL, your "partner" must have missed the beginner class on preempts, and the entire series on conduct and demeanor. You were definitely unlucky to get a less than random partner. Sometimes when you roll the dice, you roll craps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 4♠ how sad. I see this often on BBO, I think it comes from playing with weaker players and feeling you have to mastermind every hand. Diana, beware of these experts, but you knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynx98 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 lol 4s, for me and my p 4S is preemptive with AK in hand 7-10 pts. so i pass. bcs maybe he doesnt hv any diamond card so he cant play my diamond card. but, if he hv 11 -15 pts, i think 1S is the best opening :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiles3usa Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I'd pass and explain why I passed I'd also ask what why he though that a preempt in second seat sufficiently described his hand. With the hand as shown, I can only see a 2!c opener. But I'd really like to hear why a 4!s opener is a decent option here -- I really cannot see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scsm1963 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 10 trick hand is not a 4!s opening!! Should be opened 2!c and then bid 4!s. 4!s opening promises 7-8 tricks with no slam aspirations. P not to raise unless has controls in a suites. A or KQ so that cannot lose 2 quick tricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 This is what happens when you preempt with a hand that is not a preempt.4 losers at MOST. 2C is a clear bid and slam will be easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 A BBOer once classified players like North as: "Experts like those I can get at the local bazaar for 0.10 cent/kilo." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 A BBOer once classified players like North as: "Experts like those I can get at the local bazaar for 0.10 cent/kilo." North was not an expert, was intermediate. Which is one more reason why I was extremely tempted to raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 oh sorry.. I swear I saw it somewhere it was an expert. Opposite an intermediate I wouldn't raise. You never know what sort of stuff people open 4S on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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