nickf Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=e&s=s ak9h8daq53c98542]133|100|Scoring: IMPs vs median[/hv] You are sitting South and play a weak NT with 4 card majors. Two passes to you and you open 1C, partner bids the expected 1H. Now what? What is the least of all available evils? Conditions of contest: You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C". nickfsydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I vote for 1N. If you hate 1N, try 1S, if pd raises to 2S, you wont mind that much. If pd bid 1N, you can pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 1♠, might have opened 1♦, but I would still rebid 1♠. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 "You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C". Why can't I answer that, Nick, because that is exactly what I would have done. I suppose you want me to bid 1S - well it looks like a 4 card suit, but it really galls to have to bid this; I hate bidding 3 card suits. Incidentally Fly, you didn't read the system properly, you can't bid 1NT as this would show 15-17, (maybe 18 if Nick plays a wider range NT rebid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C". nickf, Can you answer my question for the same hand, what would you rebid if you open 1♥ (yes, 1♥!) and pd raised to 2♥? To me, it doesn't make sense to ask for a rebid while I would not agree with the first bid at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Pass! If I am going to bid the hand goofy by not opening 1D, why not make second goofy bid and hope they balance over 1h. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 2C planning to bid 2nt over 2H. If pard bids 2D I will give it a bump to 3D. If pard bids 3c I will bid 3NT. If pard bids 2NT I will pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 This is one of the occasions where opening 1♦ is absolutely CLEAR, even if you play longest suit first and all that stuff... But since I may not answer this way... 1♠. I made 1 mistake, lets keep it that way! 1NT is ABSOLUTE madness, since you show 15-17 (or something similar), and 2♣ is also a very poor bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickf Posted March 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I agree with everyone who thinks my 1C opening was ill-judged. I realised the ramifications as soon as the 1C card hit the deck. Still, the issue is how do you best catch up? I bid 1S at the table and still think it's better than a 2C rebid. nickfsydney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Given the 1C opening, it comes down to a question--how likely is partner to raise to 2S on 3-card support ? If this is sytemicallay barred as in KS or at least rare, 1S stands out as the best of a bad lot--but if in your nethods a three-card raise is at all frequent, 1S is suicide: bid 2C. If partner happens to be 3-6-3-1, wouldn't you rather be in 2H than2S? If partener passes with a doubleton club, isn't this poor 5-2 fits likely better tha a good 3-3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Conditions of contest: You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C". Ok - I would have opened 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badderzboy Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Just a BILlie but can the expert community explain why 1♦ is a better opening or 1♠ is a better response? Granted not a nice hand for an ACOL-esque system but I have to say I'm confused what's wrong with 1♣-1♥-2♣ ? showing the weak hand with 5 clubs ( Yes it's an awful suit but at least we have 5 and the long club may make a trick and the outside honours are likely to provide some winners whether a trump suit or not ? What would partner do with 2-2 in minors over 1♦-1♥-2♣? Finally what would you do with when partner bids 2♦? ( I realise partner is potentially stronger in this auction)... Steve[hv=s=saq53h97642d8cak9]133|100|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 i'm not crazy about 1S either, but i don't see much choice... Finally what would you do with when partner bids 2♦? ( I realise partner is potentially stronger in this auction)... Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ AQ53 ♥ 97642 ♦ 8 ♣ AK9 1S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Good point on the last hand - a lot of old fashioned Acolites open this 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I obviously should have thought about this very likely auction before I opened. Personally, I would have opened a weak NT (12-14). Yes, I do know I have a singleton heart. 1NT shows a balanced hand, I also know that, unless it's unbalanced for some reason. Fred had the "impossible" hand last night in a tourney: 3-1-4-5 and a 16 count. So not strong enough to reverse into 2♦ after 1♣-1♥, so he chose 1NT as the practical solution. I was and am with him. The least of evils in this example is 1♠. I simply refuse to rebid that non-existent club suit, and 1NT now would show 15-17. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I don't liek the conditions of contest. I would put ♠A into my clubs and rebid 2♣, at least I would had an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 "You can't answer "I would have opened 1D and rebid 2C". Why can't I answer that, Nick, because that is exactly what I would have done. I suppose you want me to bid 1S - well it looks like a 4 card suit, but it really galls to have to bid this; I hate bidding 3 card suits. Incidentally Fly, you didn't read the system properly, you can't bid 1NT as this would show 15-17, (maybe 18 if Nick plays a wider range NT rebid). You are right, then stuck with 1S. I would open 1D of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I think 1S is much better than either 1NT or 2C. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 Ditto. It is essential to pass the message "pard, pls don't insist on hearts" and 1S is the bid that best does it, as it shows 8-9 cards in the blacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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