Jinksy Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 IMPs, opps vul: T9xxxxxxxxxxx LHO deals, anf the bidding goes 1♦ 1♥ P P2♦ X P 2♥3♦ X P ? What's your call? What sort of hand do you expect opposite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I have played a lot of bridge and can't recall ever seeing such an auction. It makes no sense. Partner cannot have his second double. If his hand is so strong as to require me to bid at the 3-level or so good that he has 5 tricks with a 7 card opening suit on his right, then he had a takeout double to start with. I'm pulling it, but with no confidence at all. Whatever he really has, we'll talk about this auction after the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I would have bid 2♠ on the previous round. We have at least eight spades, and my hand will be more useful in spades than in hearts. That would also have avoided this problem - if partner still made a second double, I'd have an easy and descriptive 3♥ bid. As it's gone, partner probably has a hand where he wants to bid 3♥, but is concerned that I might have only a doubleton, so is giving me a chance to defend 3♦ instead if I want to. For example, AKx AQxxxx x KJx. Hence I bid 3♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Isn't this a game try double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 can anyone construct a hand consistent with the auction? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Isn't this a game try double?We can't be sure that we have a heart fit, so I wouldn't take it as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 It sure blows my firm meta--- Righty re-re bids unsupported; double says he has made a mistake. I am entertaining the possibility that partner's previous double was intended as penalty, and now he is standing on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I dunno what to expect, but I think pard will have a tough time taking 5 tricks. So pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 can anyone construct a hand consistent with the auction? AKx AQxxxx x KJx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 AKx AQxxxx x KJxWouldn't we double 1♦ with that hand? Even I would, and I play a kokish-like style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Wouldn't we double 1♦ with that hand? Even I would, and I play a kokish-like styleI'm sure many people would double, but I'd overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I was the doubler, but I agree with everything mikeh said. I flipped on this hand, with: QxxAQJxxQxxAK I did have the sense to apologise to P, but also felt mildly annoyed that she'd left it in. 3♦x made, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 QxxAQJxxQxxAKMakes me wonder whether you would be better off overcalling 1NT on this sort of hand. Anyway, I think your second double was just wrong, you need to temper your expectations once partner can't advance your initial 1♥ overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 can anyone construct a hand consistent with the auction? I could not. What Andy constructed is as close as it gets I believe but I would start dbl with this, even though I overcall upto 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 ♠Axx♥Axxxxx♦-♣AKxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 ♠Axx♥Axxxxx♦-♣AKxx This one I start dbl much faster than Andy's. This is stronger hand than his imo. Starting 1♥ is like... putting all your eggs in 1 basket. You know when you hold this hand there are much more other options available with a little from pd, not just only 4♥. Including slam hands in an other suit. Only thing bad about it is you can not lead trump if pd converts but that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 If partner is footing the bill, I pass to teach him a lesson if I am playing for my money, I pull and finish the rubber as quickly as possible so I can cut this player as an opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 your first double was poor. your 2nd double was lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Makes me wonder whether you would be better off overcalling 1NT on this sort of hand. i understand the op might want to pre-empt himself from having to exercise any discipline later in the hand, which is evidently not his forte, and making a bad call on the first round might accomplish that on occasion, but i suspect that with this hand type it would just result in his backing in with 2M on the 2nd round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Agree about the second X. What do you object to about the first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Jinsky, there are several styles for subsequent dbls for overcaller: In style 1 dbl shows a max overcall and defensive hand. Something like what you had. In style 2 dbl shows extras and take out shape. In this style, a 2nd dbl shows a hand that looks like style 1 but has take-outish shape. Say... QxxAQJxxKxAQx If you have no agreements, 1st dbl is ok. But 2nd is very risky, as you never know what pard will make of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Agree about the second X. What do you object to about the first?The first double is takeout. You don't have takeout shape.Partner didn't act over 1H, you won't be missing game, and Qxx in their suit does not argue for competing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 The first double is takeout. You don't have takeout shape.Partner didn't act over 1H, you won't be missing game, and Qxx in their suit does not argue for competing. what he said. yes you have a maximum, but your hand is very defensive. just defend and hope those extra values are sufficient to get 2D off. if partner has a hand too weak to act over 1h but shape suitable, which is what you're hoping for when you double, he can act himself in the passout seat. you only need to act with extra values and a shape unsuitable hand when you're so strong you might make game opposite a hand from partner that's too weak to act himself. that seems rather unlikely when partner couldn't bid 1S/1NT or whatever over 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 The first double is takeout. You don't have takeout shape.Partner didn't act over 1H, you won't be missing game, and Qxx in their suit does not argue for competing.I don't understand. I have KX in Righty's suit, not QXX; I have 3-card support for the blacks and extra strength for my 1H overcall. How isn't that "takeout shape" on this auction? Partner would not have advanced over my 1H with 5 or six of a black suit and weakness. The third-round double, however seems to be one of those "Didn't you see the auction, Partner?" restatements of the same thing I have already shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 I also disagree with Jinksy's chosen bidding. But, IMO we should not let the weak hand off the hook either. I second gnasher's suggestion to call 2♠ over the first double, then 3♥ over the second. Shared blame, next board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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