Yet Another Pre-Empt From Opps

[eagles123]

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many thanks

 

Eagles

[the hog]

What is the question? Partner is on lead, not you.

[PhilKing]

If only someone had a database of almost every time this auction had occurred in top-level bridge.

 

4♠

[Jinksy]

Would you then pull to 5♣ if 4♠ was doubled?

[PhilKing]

Would you then pull to 5♣ if 4♠ was doubled?

 

Yes - that is the strategy.

 

The rule is to never leave your offensive potential unexplored in this type of auction, but after that, it is gloves off. It's entirely possible we go for 1100 against a non-making game, but I believe bidding is a winning strategy. This is not entirely drawn from instances of this exact situation, but many where the same principles apply (though the stats do not represent a slam dunk, by any means).

[Phil]

4!♠. Obviously I may go for my life but the IMP scale requires this type of aggression.

[PhantomSac]

Would you then pull to 5♣ if 4♠ was doubled?

 

If they quick double then pass if they tank double then run LDO

[masonbarge]

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many thanks

 

Eagles

 

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

 

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.

[johnu]

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

 

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.

 

Just curious, but how many points do you need for 4♠ or 5♣ to be the favorite to make?

[MrAce]

I agree with Phil and Phil. Complete the transfer and bid 4♠

[whereagles]

make that triple phil

 

I know of no better way to handle this hand. A direct 4NT also gets the suit right, but it misses on the chance to play 4S.

[The It]

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

 

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.

 

Points don't make contracts - distribution does.

 

4♠.

[GrahamJson]

Partner figures to have four cards in hearts, but failed to bid 2NT, so probably has a maximum of 14 points, most likely less, maybe much less. If he is short in hearts then he will be even weaker as he failed to double. Of course bidding could be the winning move but I reckon the percentage action is to pass.

[nekthen]

I know of no better way to handle this hand. A direct 4NT also gets the suit right, but it misses on the chance to play 4S.

 

Actually 4 N is tricky. P is going to assume minors at first, So 5♣ means better ♣ than ♦ so you must pass when 5♠ may well be best

 

I am a passer. If I was in North seat I would be bidding 4♠ on a wide variety of hands, What has West got? He failed to double or bid 2N or bid a suit. He could easily have 5♥ and up to 10 HCP and North has found an aggressive raise with 2 cards and 16 hcp and walked into a 5-0 break that puts it down.

[wank]

Partner figures to have four cards in hearts

 

why are you guessing? you did see it was the opps who have been bidding hearts, yes?

[GrahamJson]

Of course I don't know that partner has four hearts, but I think it is quite likely. He always does whenever I bid 4S on this sort of hand.

[ArtK78]

I am a bidder. 4♠,

[fourdad]

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

 

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.

 

BINGO!! Although I agree with the comment that distribution matters as well. Is not the question still pds pass? If I was playing in a pick up game and had a pd who passed this with 13-15 point count and 4 spades. they would go on the blacklist.

[whereagles]

You have 8 HCP! Your partner passed at the two level! 4S or 5C could be down 2000 points, NV.

 

If it takes you more than two seconds to pass this, you need to stand in front of a mirror and say "PASS" one hundred times before every game.

 

Say 100 times: "it's a bidder's game"

[Trinidad]

BINGO!! Although I agree with the comment that distribution matters as well. Is not the question still pds pass? If I was playing in a pick up game and had a pd who passed this with 13-15 point count and 4 spades. they would go on the blacklist.

So you would bid something over 2♥ in direct seat with:

♠ KJ84

♥ J752

♦ AJ5

♣K6

?

 

And what would that be?

 

Rik

[masonbarge]

Points don't make contracts - distribution does.

 

4♠.

 

Yes, your mighty five card spade suit will render all those aces and kings meaningless.

[mcphee]

You know litte, except the opps have no interest in any slam and partner was no able to act. He could have the wrong shape, even 4333. I think you must bid 4S here, no one likes a coward and you sure do not need much to make it. If thye dble you can always blame partner for having the wrong hand you were bidding.

[The It]

Yes, your mighty five card spade suit will render all those aces and kings meaningless.

 

I'm not saying that just the 5 spades are the distribution - you've got an overall distributional hand - if you were 5332 then sure, that comment makes sense. You're 6/5 - come alive!

[The_Badger]

hi Eagles,

 

Tough call. I am not with all the players throwing caution to the wind and calling 4♠. It could work. Partner could also possibly propel you into a slam that is down. And quite a few other scenarios...

 

The 4♥ caller must be a strong hand, not a pre-emptive raise as partner would have surely come into the auction. (But if you call 4♠ your partner could well believe that the raise to 4♥ might be pre-emptive and take you for a much stronger hand) The 2♥ bidder opened vulnerable in first position. The 4♥ bidder didn't use Ogust either ( a slight clue).

 

We already know that two hands are unbalanced - yours and possibly the opener's. This whole hand could be a bit of a misfit. Rubber bridge is a completely different game to IMP and MP bidding, but would I bid 4♠ in a serious money game? No way!

 

If 4♠ is going light, 5♣ is probably light too. You might get away with a reasonable sacrifice if 4♥ makes, but I would let sleeping dogs lie and pass. A bit wussy I know, but trying to explain to your teammates a 1100 or similar penalty (if you were playing a team match) is not worth the hassle.

[Trump Echo]

I would definitely pass on the free bid.

 

But I'd pass on the balance bid too.