whereagles Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Matchpoints, adv pard [hv=pc=n&e=sk4haqjt3dq6cat94&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p2hd4h5dpp]133|200[/hv] Bid? Pard weak 2 style is usually sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I'd double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Why is no one bidding spades? I'm not sure that I want to help them into their 5S contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 What does 'sound' mean? If 'pure', then P will have Kxxxxx(x) in ♥s and little outside it, and probably a shortage elsewhere. If 'HCPy', then they probably have little chance of making this, and we have no particular reason to think we can make 5. In the latter case I X. In the former case I probably pass, since I can't tell who's making what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 What does 'sound' mean? If 'pure', then P will have Kxxxxx(x) in ♥s and little outside it, and probably a shortage elsewhere. If 'HCPy', then they probably have little chance of making this, and we have no particular reason to think we can make 5. In the latter case I X. In the former case I probably pass, since I can't tell who's making what. "Sound" means I agreed "classic style" with pard, whatever he believes that to be. Clearly, he doesn't have a classic preempt, so your guess is as good as mine http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Double looks pretty obvious to me. Occasionally they'll make it, but usually you'll pickup +200/500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 5H, but i am the worst bridge player ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Double and partner is the worst bridge player ever. Look at our heart intermediates. They open 2!h in 2nd/red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 i always have 7 if i've opened such a bad suit 2nd r/r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I think I have to bid 5S, not because I think I can make it but because I don't think we can defeat 5D. I doubt anyone can double us at 5H, so down 100 or 200 is better than -600. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 This: Pard weak 2 style is usually sound. + This: Why is no one bidding spades? + This: i always have 7 if i've opened such a bad suit 2nd r/r Make bidding 5H pretty clear. Partner is very likely 47xx and if it's 4702 that could well be a double game swing. Either way we will very likely make 5H and may or may not beat them. If partner does somehow have 3 spades and they have 8 spades he still has 7 hearts in which case we are probably down 1 and we very well might not beat them. I would still take my chances and bid 5H. I do not think partner having 6 hearts is possible, I think a hand like x Kxxxxx xx KQxx is a reasonable 2H opener but our hand and their failure to bid spades makes that impossible. The same hand type with 4 good spades and 6 bad hearts is not a 2H opener. Qxxx K987xxx --- xx is a perfectly fine 2H opener to me, passing is pretty lame and 3H is way too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Double looks pretty obvious to me. Occasionally they'll make it, but usually you'll pickup +200/500.How are you getting +500? ♠K, ♣A, and which two other tricks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I post 5H and Justin just jumps on the bandwagon, sheesh 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Double is frightening. We have 1 defensive trick, and 1 card that might be a defensive trick. 5D could be making an overtrick on a bad day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Double is frightening. We have 1 defensive trick, and 1 card that might be a defensive trick. 5D could be making an overtrick on a bad day.B...b....but we have so many high cards!!!!!!!!!! FWIW, I think 5♥ stand out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Thx all. Very interesting discussion here. I doubled it, expecting some extra HCP in pard (he's a bit of a bean-counter) to justify for the lousy suit. It does go down, but the only lead to set it is an unlikely spade, which of course wasn't found (disrupts communications).[hv=pc=n&s=s72h94dajt942cq82&w=sq863hk87652d85c5&n=sajt95hdk73ckj763&e=sk4haqjt3dq6cat94&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=p2hd4h5dppdppp]399|300[/hv] Actions were a bit non-standard, but in retrospect Justin's arguments are very compelling. This particular weak 2 is rather revolting (and unexpected for this particular player), but a 7-4 is perfectly fine for the actions and adds to the 5♥ argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I knew partner had to be 6-4 for his opening in second with a ***** of a suit, but opening with spades its ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 How are you getting +500? ♠K, ♣A, and which two other tricks? I'm playing partner to have the "sound 2H opening" that they have systemically showed. 2nd/Vul this implies some high card strength outside of hearts. In my world, 2722 shape is certainly possible but 47 shape isn't. Despite being the complete opposite of a sound preempter, 2H on partner's actual hand is not something I would perpetrate :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Late again but we already know p has strayed from their usual "sound"weak 2 strategy since we know they have a crummy suit. Extra stuff outsideto help make up for trump suit deficiency is a non starter since trumpsuit quality is the only definition for "sound". That means we have zero reason to take any particular action. At MP this is usually a recipe forpass. At IMPS it is probably a reasonable form of insurance to try 5h. When you are fixed stay fixed and do not make it worse when you are not sure what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Qxxx K987xxx --- xx is a perfectly fine 2H opener to me, passing is pretty lame and 3H is way too much.Wow I have never disagreed with as much with a post by Justin. Why misdescribe your hand in second seat, with both majors? I guess I am old-fashioned in second seat - two flaws (bad suit, very playable in the other minor) => no preempt from me. Meanwhile, the other person at the table who could be 74 with a side-four-card spade suit could be dealer. What other hand would pass in first seat, but be worth 5♦ in the given auction? Of course, the conclusion is pretty much the same - 5♦ is a good bet to make, and 5♥ probably jsut down one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Wow I have never disagreed with as much with a post by Justin. Why misdescribe your hand in second seat, with both majors? I guess I am old-fashioned in second seat - two flaws (bad suit, very playable in the other minor) => no preempt from me. "Bad suit" is relative, I have 7 of them. I view my suit as much better than QJT9xx which surely is a fine suit for a preempt? If we are going to play in hearts having 7 is obviously a big plus vs having almost any 6 card suit. If we are going to get doubled at least there is some safety in being 7-4, I mean I'd rather have KQJT98 if I'm in 2H X but nothings perfect lol. I also don't view my hand as very playable in spades, with 7-4 I am unlikely to want to play in spades unless partner has lots of them and few hearts in which case we can still often find spades. I also don't view it as misdescribing my hand, I have a weak hand with hearts. The auction is unlikely to time out well for me if I pass. I guess you view the risk of missing spades as much greater than I do, I rarely preempt with 6-4 in the majors (only with extremely good 6) but with 7-4 I don't think it's such a big deal, most of the time I will want to be in my 7 card suit even when it's bad. Do you just view opening 2H on a 7 card suit as a misdescription or flaw? Because probably most of those suits are "bad suits" else you would open 3 (or you are just 7222 or w/e). I personally don't find it to be a flaw but I guess that's where knowing your partnership style is important. It seems ludicrous to me to say you're a sound preemptor and open 2H on Qxxx Kxxxxx and makes it impossible for your partner to judge in these situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Phantom Sac sums it up well, assume that partner is a good player. I am glad that I read the comments of the doublers before eating my Christmas dinner rather than after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 It is really funny when whereagles calls other people bean counters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 Phantom Sac sums it up well, assume that partner is a good player. I am glad that I read the comments of the doublers before eating my Christmas dinner rather than after. I am also glad that I read all those posters before my xmass dinner, who were silent until after endorsed by Justin.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 24, 2014 Report Share Posted December 24, 2014 I think you mean 'endorsed by kuhchung'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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