pclayton Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sq62hak93dk843c64]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Matchpoints, good competition, decent field. 1♦ by you - 1♥ by pard, 2♥ by you, pass, pass, 2♠ balance on your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Pass seems obvious, so why is this a problem? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 PASS. Didn't I show my hand when I bid 2♥? It can't be a complete shock for partner that I have 12 hcp and 4 hearts, so the rest must be up to him. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Depends on how often I reply 2h with 3 cards. Since I never do that pass is quite automatic, but if I am a playe rthat often raises 1m-1M with 3 cards then there're some reasons to bid 3h based in my 4th trump. Luis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I will bid 3H. We have 8-9 trumps, they have 7-8 trumps. Assume the total tricks are 16. If 2S goes down one, we can make 3H; if 3H goes down one, they can make 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I will bid 3H. We have 8-9 trumps How many trumps do you think partner knows we have? Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 How can anyone justify bidding again? Bottom line, it is not your decision to make with another bid. Any player bidding again should play for money,,,,,,,in MY game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I don't have any choice but pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 I will bid 3H. We have 8-9 trumps How many trumps do you think partner knows we have? Roland 2H doesnt promise 4 in 2/1 or Sayc, so pd and opps knows only that we have 7+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 in a competitive auction, i believe in 1) passing unless i have a reason not to, 2) bidding on if i have a reason to (for example, a stiff or void heart or a trump p doesn't know about), or 3) doubling if my hand is better than i've shown thus far... to me, using these rules, this is a clear pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Pass, there is no real alternative imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Pard knows my hand. so will let him/her take care of business. If I bid anything other than pass, I misdescribe my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I will bid 3H. We have 8-9 trumps How many trumps do you think partner knows we have? Roland 2H doesnt promise 4 in 2/1 or Sayc, so pd and opps knows only that we have 7+. 1D-1H-2HThis is always 4-card support for me. Opener can rebid 2C with 4-card, 2D with 6-card, 1S with 4-card and 1NT with 3=4=3=3. I don't see a need to support with 3-card here. 1C-1S-2S3-card support much more likely now. What is the standard on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 This is always 4-card support for me. Opener can rebid 2C with 4-card, 2D with 6-card, 1S with 4-card and 1NT with 3=4=3=3. I don't see a need to support with 3-card here. 1C-1S-2S3-card support much more likely now. What is the standard on this? If your hand is suitable for a raise with only 3 cards, you should raise. Example: 10AJ4KQ95Q9754 1♣-1♥2♥ In my opinion you should avoid rebidding the 5-card club suit unless it's pretty good. This one is not. I know that raising with only 3 is a major crime in France and Poland for instance, but I don't live there. I would even raise to 2♥ with: 73K105KQJA10854 Many would rebid 1NT, but if NT is the right spot for us the contract is likely to be positionally wrong-sided. If responder is strong enough to make a move, there is an excellent method for him/her to find out if the raise is based on 3- or 4-card support with or without shortage, and minimum or maximum within the 12-15 range. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Phil I think you are alone here, pass seems kidna obvious to me, but I try to avoid partnering with people who raise with 3 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 This was an actual hand and I passed as well, for reasons that others have given. RHO made a very dicey balance on a 4=3=4=2 pattern and caught his pard with 4 card support. Its not at all unlikely that RHO has a decent 4 bagger on this auction, since he didn't overcall at the one level. Its a little early to tell when RHO bids 2♠, but there is a very good chance that there are 16 trump on this auction. At this vulnerability, it is CORRECT to bid 3 over 2. If 2♠ is going set, we are +140. If 2♠ is making, 3♥ only costs -50 (-100 if they make an inspired dbl). The only real dangerous time to bid 3♥ is when they are +140; we go for -300. Who should take the push to 3♥? If pard has five trump, its easy enough for him, even if he thinks we will frequently raise on 3. But give pard a more typical: xx, Qxxx, xxx, AQxx (which is close to what his actual was - he had ♣AJxx). I think its a bit much for him to take the push here, especially with the modern tendency to raise with 3 trump. While I raise pard with 3 trump (I would with the hands Roland gave), it makes some competitive sequences more difficult, similar to what happens playing 4 card majors. Last, what is double? A few months ago, I posted a hand where a double was rather rare (it was after the subject hand bid 1N, and RHO backed in and balanced). http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=4752 The general theme was that a double was penalty oriented, but promised a "safety valve" with delayed trump support in case partner needed to run. While this hand doesn't qualify, I think a logical meaning of a double should show: KJx, AKxx, Qxxx, xx; penalty toward 2♠, but extra trump in case partner needs to bail out to 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 but I try to avoid partnering with people who raise with 3 cards. What a shame Fluffy. I would have asked you for a game, but I must look elsewhere then, because I gladly raise with 3 cards if my hand screams for it. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 i raise with 3 trumps frequently. Would pass but dont think its automatic at all since partner wont compete with 2-4-3-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I would raise to 2H on the hands that Roland suggested, but I still think that pass is automatic. Bidding with this hands shows very little partnership trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 but I try to avoid partnering with people who raise with 3 cards. What a shame Fluffy. I would have asked you for a game, but I must look elsewhere then, because I gladly raise with 3 cards if my hand screams for it. Roland I'll gladly do so as well, though not with a balanced hand. I like moysian fits. They make me think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted March 4, 2005 Report Share Posted March 4, 2005 I would raise to 2H on the hands that Roland suggested, but I still think that pass is automatic. Bidding with this hands shows very little partnership trust. I think you should take into account the vul. here. The reason I bid 3H is we are white vs red. If we are red, I agree that it is better to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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