What now?

[the hog]

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This is a random partner. What now?

[aguahombre]

What now? Dunno. West has decided by his first bid to be the mastermind. Let him continue to do so without our help.

[the hog]

What now? Dunno. West has decided by his first bid to be the mastermind. Let him continue to do so without our help.

 

So in the absence of Bergen raises, splinters, cue raises etc, your master bid would be.....drum roll......wait for it......????

[diana_eva]

So in the absence of Bergen raises, splinters, cue raises etc, your master bid would be.....drum roll......wait for it......????

 

Sorry but if you wanna discuss a hand where no methods are allowed, why is it in the exp forums? I'd expect any intermediate+ would understand a cue, even with no agreements.

[the hog]

Methods are allowed however this is a pu pd. So you don't know what she plays.

[helene_t]

Maybe a 4♣ bid on the previous round?

 

Now I have to pass since double doesn't show this hand.

[whereagles]

♦4.

 

And double, by the way :)

[aguahombre]

So in the absence of Bergen raises, splinters, cue raises etc, your master bid would be.....drum roll......wait for it......????

A PU partner suitable for the forum you chose to use should be given the common courtesy of being the one to decide what to do with (say) X AKXXX AXXX QXX. That might include giving him the courtesy of knowing what 4D probably means. East undoubtedly has given West the courtesy of assuming West wouldn't bid 4H with three prime features outside the trump suit and 5-card support.

[inquiry]

pass.

[PhantomSac]

If you bid 4H the whole idea is to double them if they bid something.

[nige1]

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This is a random partner. What now?

[/hv]

IMO Double = 10, Pass = 9. 4♥ was a reasonable action.

[benlessard]

look like an auto X to me at either form of scoring. The harder question is what to lead. Leading the A of clubs first might deprive you from a D ruff if partner cannot read the 4d. But its possible you need a club ruff to defeat the contract if south got the A of D. I think i would lead the AC but im not sure.

[WesleyC]

I don't mind 4♥ on the first round, especially given the circumstances.

 

I don't have a strong preference between double and pass now. Although I would certainly double if I were the 4S bidder!

[the hog]

The 4S "bidder" held

AKQxx x AQxx xxx and bought

xxxx xx KJxx QTx in dummy. The CQ was the 10th trick.

[the hog]

A PU partner suitable for the forum you chose to use should be given the common courtesy of being the one to decide what to do with (say) X AKXXX AXXX QXX. That might include giving him the courtesy of knowing what 4D probably means. East undoubtedly has given West the courtesy of assuming West wouldn't bid 4H with three prime features outside the trump suit and 5-card support.

 

A foolish comment. No doubt you are aware that many play fj after interference, not splinters. In the absence of detailed discussion and the learning 156 pages of system notes, I would expect an expert to use her judgement.

[wank]

if you don't double, you shouldn't have bid 4♥. yes, by following this course you've made everyone guess, but with the odds stacked in your favour.

 

i think east's action is more interesting. with less than 1 defensive trick for his opening bid opposite a pre-empt, he might well pull. double just indicates ownership of the hand rather than a spade stack.

[whereagles]

The 4S "bidder" held

AKQxx x AQxx xxx and bought

xxxx xx KJxx QTx in dummy. The CQ was the 10th trick.

 

what?? pard didnt take the heart king and put you back with the club ACE, after which you fired back a LOW club to pard's jack and a club back? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

 

 

[the hog]

if you don't double, you shouldn't have bid 4♥. yes, by following this course you've made everyone guess, but with the odds stacked in your favour.

 

i think east's action is more interesting. with less than 1 defensive trick for his opening bid opposite a pre-empt, he might well pull. double just indicates ownership of the hand rather than a spade stack.

 

Excellent comment Wank. These were my thoughts as well, though I admit it is not easy.

[Jinksy]

Excellent comment Wank.

 

I thought you opposed profanities on this forum, even if they were proper nouns?

[gszes]

your initial preemptive action should have limited the amount

of defensive tricks you are expected to take (max one). x here

should let p know you feel you have 1 more than expected and

since you have warned p about your heart length they will

downgrade any heart honors. While I disagree with the original

4h call at this point x is the best you can do but even this

has danger since you were afraid to bid any other way before

there is no reason to assume x will carry any special meaning.

[rhm]

The 4S "bidder" held

AKQxx x AQxx xxx and bought

xxxx xx KJxx QTx in dummy. The CQ was the 10th trick.

DBL after a raise of partner's suit should be considered optional whenever Pass would not have been forcing.

In such scenarios DBL simply shows a good hand in light of previous bids, exactly what West got.

This is much more useful than showing a trump stack.

Assuming West doubled 4♠, with the hand East held Pass is a common error in judgment.

Holding mainly heart honors East should have bid 5♥

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Fluffy]

I am puzzled by south's actions... 5 spades??

[Trinidad]

I am puzzled by south's actions... 5 spades??

can explain... ;)

 

Rik

[the hog]

I am puzzled by south's actions... 5 spades??

Believe me I was as well.

[benlessard]

Maybe

 

x

AKQJx

xxxx

Jxx

 

is a preempt. I would have opened 1H but I have poor results with opening these no defense hand. Hyper concentration of pts at this vul might be a good excuse to preempt. I usually disagree about pulling the double unless we made an error with the opening wich might be the case here.