kgr Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Matchpoints[hv=pc=n&s=sat42hdakqjcqj753&d=w&v=0&b=14&a=pp2d(Multi)2s(Transfer%20C)3s(Pass%20or%20Correct)3np]133|200|MPs[/hv]- RHO opens multi 2♦ (a 6cM and weak OR a GF hand); and explained that in 3th hand 'everything' is possible- You play Multi over Multi with following options:- - DBL=a 5-card Major with a least opening strength OR 19-22 HCP- - 2♠=Transfer Clubs (Advancer will bid 2NT with a possitive hand; else he bids 3♣- - 2♥=15-18 NT- - 4♣ or 4♦=Leaping Michaels- - Pass, followed by a DBL of 2♥ is TO=> Do you agree with starting to transfer to ♣?- LHO bid 3♠: pass or correct (Normally 3c♠ and longer ♥'s; but these opps like to bid)=> Do you continue over 3NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 your methods seems strange.. playing those I would probably pass and let RHO show his suit before butting-in. But anyway, having shown clubs I think I would now continue the hand description and bid 4♦. With trepidation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I bid 4♠ now showing clubs + spades. If LHO has only 3♠ for his 3♠ bid then we probably have a large fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I suppose the goal of your methods is to maximize your sticks and wheels opportunities? It seems like "no agreement" would be a vastly superior method. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Matchpoints[hv=pc=n&s=sat42hdakqjcqj753&d=w&v=0&b=14&a=pp2d(Multi)2s(Transfer%20C)3s(Pass%20or%20Correct)3np]133|200|MPs[/hv]- RHO opens multi 2♦ (a 6cM and weak OR a GF hand); and explained that in 3th hand 'everything' is possible- You play Multi over Multi with following options:- - DBL=a 5-card Major with a least opening strength OR 19-22 HCP- - 2♠=Transfer Clubs (Advancer will bid 2NT with a possitive hand; else he bids 3♣- - 2♥=15-18 NT- - 4♣ or 4♦=Leaping Michaels- - Pass, followed by a DBL of 2♥ is TO=> Do you agree with starting to transfer to ♣?- LHO bid 3♠: pass or correct (Normally 3c♠ and longer ♥'s; but these opps like to bid)=> Do you continue over 3NT? No. Pass and double 2♥ for takeout. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 No. Pass and double 2♥ for takeout. S.(2D)-P-(3S)-P(4H-?Probably you also DBL this for TO then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (2D)-P-(3S)-P(4H-?Probably you also DBL this for TO then? Sure. The hand is strong enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (2D)-P-(3S)-P(4H-?Probably you also DBL this for TO then?This is exactly the reason why I play immediate 2♥ = takeout of hearts. (Well, that and the fact that 2♦ could get passed out.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I quite like this Collins defense variant: (2♦) ..?? Dbl = take-out of spades or any 18+2♥ = take-out of hearts2♠ = natural 12-17 Best compromise solution: take-outs for both H/S and a natural S overcall. With a heart overcall you'll have to dbl and fake a take-out of spades (which isn't a long stretch anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 This is exactly the reason why I play immediate 2♥ = takeout of hearts. I play the same and don't like your methods at all. That said, partner didn't angle to double them in hearts (softish heart stoppers?) so I'm bidding 4♠ and if the auction doesn't die 6♣ is next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Matchpoints[hv=pc=n&s=sat42hdakqjcqj753&n=sKQt3hq32d532cA64&d=w&v=0&b=14&a=pp2d(Multi)2s(Transfer%20C)3s(Pass%20or%20Correct)3nppp]233|200|MPs[/hv]Thanks for the answers. I passed on 3NT. East did start a small Heart for Wests King, but EW 'blocked' the hearts when East returned ♥2 (to show ♣K) in trick 4.- I agree that it is best in my methods to start with a Pass and DBL for TO the next round.- And I also agree that pass after 3NT isn't good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I've played OPs method for a few hundred hands, it's not as bad as all the posters suggest. I've gotten to penalize 2M with a 2M overcall a couple of times and the light 3m bids have found good saves and caused the opponents to miss their fit. On this hand, I don't like the 2S bid on the first round on a weak 5c suit. Even though it might be ambiguous, I prefer to start with a double on the first round (planning to double hearts again on the next round). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I've played OPs method for a few hundred hands, it's not as bad as all the posters suggest. I've gotten to penalize 2M with a 2M overcall a couple of times and the light 3m bids have found good saves and caused the opponents to miss their fit. On this hand, I don't like the 2S bid on the first round on a weak 5c suit. Even though it might be ambiguous, I prefer to start with a double on the first round (planning to double hearts again on the next round).I agree that initial 2S is not best.But a DBL in the first round would show a 5cM. Isn't it therefore better to start with a pass and DBL for TO in the 2nd round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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