eagles123 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 MP [hv=pc=n&n=s652hak65dakqjca2]133|100[/hv] 2n = 20/22 is this worth upgrading to 2c (strongest)? Thanks Eagles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I wouldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Not for me. People always seem to want to upgrade mega-good hands, and it feels like an extension of the learner's desire to bid strong hands twice. If anything it seems like you should lean towards conservatism, since hands tend to play worse the more imbalanced the strength is. Here I have 7 tricks with little hope of establishing an 8th on length (unless P has 4 Hs, in which case I'm likely to finding myself in a contract needing an extra 3 tricks), and if I open 2♣, I'd certainly expect P to raise me with eg Axx xxx xxx xxxx. That said, I think playing 2N as 20-21 and 2C as 22+ is much better. Have the uncomfortably wide range come up as infrequently as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Not for me. People always seem to want to upgrade mega-good hands, and it feels like an extension of the learner's desire to bid strong hands twice.This. And it isn't just learners, BBOers with thousands of logs also overuse their forcing opening. Not close to an upgrade for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Nowhere close IMO. Great controls, yes - but no 5-card suit, no intermediates, no honour sequences (eg AJ10x). It's worth nothing more than the 21 raw HCPs it has, at least not until partner shows some hearts/diamonds and some shape. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 No, and I don't think it's close. I wouldn't even upgrade out of a 20-21 NT. This is just a good 21 count IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I'm in excellent shape after a transfer, so I think I'd stick to 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 MP [hv=pc=n&n=s652hak65dakqjca2]133|100[/hv] 2n = 20/22 is this worth upgrading to 2c (strongest)? Thanks Eagles No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I play 20-21 NT and I would need a 5th diamond to upgrade this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I also play a 20-21 2NT. If partner transfers to ♠ he is not even getting a superaccept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I also play a 20-21 2NT. If partner transfers to ♠ he is not even getting a superaccept. Is that because you only have ♠652? What if partner transfers to ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 FWIW Kaplan-Rubens 9(knr) rates this as 21.60. The less complex Danny Kleinman count is a bad 22. Figures from the Goldsmith site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Is that because you only have ♠652? What if partner transfers to ♥if partner likes a red suit, not only will I superaccept, I'll wag my tail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexlogan Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 FWIW Kaplan-Rubens 9(knr) rates this as 21.60. The less complex Danny Kleinman count is a bad 22. Figures from the Goldschmidt site. Neither count has been shown to be an improvement over hcp for notrump bidding, but we can take it that even in a suit contract this isn't outside the specified 20-22 range. No need to upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 thank god I didnt upgrade resulting in us ending in a bad slam and a MP bottom, would've been terrible had that happened 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 thank god I didnt upgrade resulting in us ending in a bad slam and a MP bottom, would've been terrible had that happenedYou're welcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think its close but no cigar. I would not mind leaping to 4h if p happensto transfer to hearts but that is the extent of my upgrade. The hcp valuehappens to exactly equal the number of available tricks and almost no way to produce anything extra. Would you really be happy opening 2c 2d 2n 3d and be happy about merely bidding 3h????? ick and if you super accept just how much will p playyou for? best to stay our of trouble and miss an occasional seeing eye slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I wouldn't upgrade if playing 20-21 so a big NO here. I will super accept if PD xfers to ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I need more defensive quick tricks than losers to open 2!C so, at 5 and 5 I would open it 2NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrande Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I would upgrade playing a 20-21 point range. Aces and kings are very undervalued by point count, and you don't know that you will wind up playing in no trump, but upgrading higher than a 22 point NT is too big a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil619 Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 2nt equals 20-21. bid 2 clubs with 22 hcp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 2nt equals 20-21. bid 2 clubs with 22 hcp.Thank you for telling us Eagles123 has lied about his partnership's agreements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Nobody else wanted to be the one to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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