amateur_ Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Another uncharted territory I came upon recently - 2♥(2♠)? imagine sitting N in http://tinyurl.com/lbbbcx4Options: Pass is probably the wisest choice. Then 3m - I guess competitive bids (not forcing). 2NT - not fully exempted however ruled out due to ♥ void. Next puzzle - what about DBL, is it penalty having pd's 2♥ hand clear limits? Clearly, no successful penalty is certain looking at N hand itself, but nevertheless possible experiment. Curious to hear your assessment about DBL and 3♣/♦ meaning in this layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Yes, after your partner preempts, your doubles are penalty. Of course, as you already noted, pass is probably the better decision here. West's 2♠ bid was truly atrocious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 atrocious, but it worked. anyway, pass is relatively obvious.. the misfit means no game is on for our side, and anything we bid is forcing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 anything we bid is forcing.Is that so, even after interference? Maybe you are right, opener probably won't pass a freebid anyway since it could be lead-directing with a fit. Probably we ought to play transfers in this spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Observation: If South had a weak-two (say AJ9XXX), we can tap and claim with the same line of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 1. Is that so, even after interference? 2. (...) Probably we ought to play transfers in this spot. 1. I think so. Otherwise you're out of natural forcing bids. 2. I tried that and liked it. Meanwhile pard and I stopped playing together. meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Is that so, even after interference? With my present partner I agreed that they are no longer forcing after interference, but it seems like a pretty academic problem either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Is that so, even after interference? Maybe you are right, opener probably won't pass a freebid anyway since it could be lead-directing with a fit. Probably we ought to play transfers in this spot. The whole auction is commedia dell'arte. The 2H opening is poor, the 2S bid is bad, East bid beautifully.Transfers are a bad idea. Why make the weak hand declarer? Yes, new suits are forcing. The Pass card is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Transfers are a bad idea. Why make the weak hand declarer? I dispute that. Transfers can be useful for (1) showing a suit in a natural & forcing way, and (2) directing the lead with main suit fit. Whether it's worth the extra complication and loss of natural bids, that's another story. RANT ON When I used to open 5-cards weak twos, I used transfer schemes with three hand types even: (1) new suit, wimpish, i.e. "my suit is bigger than yours" [responder passes afterwards] (2) side suit + main fit [responder bids 3/4 of main suit as invite/slam invite](3) new suit, constructive (responder bids something else nat). Meaning (1) seems agricultural, but it did come out pretty often. Putting weak hand as declarer was never a problem. I can't remember a single time it mattered. /RANT OFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 I dispute that. Transfers can be useful for (1) showing a suit in a natural & forcing way, and (2) directing the lead with main suit fit. Whether it's worth the extra complication and loss of natural bids, that's another story. RANT ON When I used to open 5-cards weak twos, I used transfer schemes with three hand types even: (1) new suit, wimpish, i.e. "my suit is bigger than yours" [responder passes afterwards] (2) side suit + main fit [responder bids 3/4 of main suit as invite/slam invite](3) new suit, constructive (responder bids something else nat). Meaning (1) seems agricultural, but it did come out pretty often. Putting weak hand as declarer was never a problem. I can't remember a single time it mattered. /RANT OFF Disagree Nuno. Points 2 and 3 are better handled by natural bids. If you want to play silly weak 2s you can always use the McCabe Adjunct.Whats the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2014 Report Share Posted December 6, 2014 Disagree Nuno. Points 2 and 3 are better handled by natural bids. If you want to play silly weak 2s you can always use the McCabe Adjunct.Whats the difference? Well, think of transfers/McCabe as Rubensohl/Lebensohl. Both can be played, no prob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Yes, after your partner preempts, your doubles are penalty. Of course, as you already noted, pass is probably the better decision here. West's 2♠ bid was truly atrocious. 2♠ may have been bad. The defense was truly atrocious.I'm too lazy to play it out. Doesn't 2♠ go down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 2♠ may have been bad. The defense was truly atrocious.I'm too lazy to play it out. Doesn't 2♠ go down?It was played out for you in the link ...post number one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 2♠ may have been bad. The defense was truly atrocious.I'm too lazy to play it out. Doesn't 2♠ go down?It was played out for you in the link ...post number one. OP and his partner defended as if Opener had a weak-two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I saw the link. Trick 3 South should have returned a diamond. Give West a chance to go wrong. Think 2♠ is cold. But with a diamond back West can easily go wrong and go down two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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