whereagles Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 IMPS[hv=pc=n&n=sq8543hj9862d53ca&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2dp]133|200[/hv] 2♦ = weak, classic style North can now bid: 2♥ = neutral relay, asking for side major. (You can stop in 3D/M later.)3♦ = pree raise Bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 2H asks for side 3-card majors? Even then, I think I'd rather pass. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 It asks for side 4-card majors, not 3-card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 The opps are most likely headed to game/slam and what we really need totry to do is keep clubs out of the picture where the opps are favored to have a massive fit. 3d will go a long way toward accomplishing that goaland maybe we will get lucky and steer the opps into a major suit where wewill undoubtedly be much happier than in a club contract. Raising a weak 2 with 2 small carries some risk especially if your partner likesto bid with 6 small. Is the risk worth the tactical advantage? while I think sonot all will agree and pass rates to be a popular choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I wouldn't call a weak 2♦ with a side 4 card major 'classic' :P I happen to like the method...I played this style (including allowing for 5♦ plus 4 card major) in what I consider to be the strongest partnership I have ever played in and it worked very well. Having said that, the odds are definitely against his having a major on this hand, and we don't really have the diamonds to make playing in 3♦ that attractive. Meanwhile, our major suit length is such that it is possible that the opps can't both reach and make a game. I suspect they can make 3N, but even that isn't clear. Give partner a classic weak 2 and they could easily fail: AQxxxx in diamonds, and the K on our left: I bet they don't have 8 major suit winners! So I pass smoothly. I'll probably regret this if partner has a major, but I don't like the odds and we might not make game anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well, classic in the sense that you can rely on partner having 6 decent diamonds and an offensive hand. But yes, possible presence of a side major isn't really "classic" style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Where is Philking? PASShttp://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosterbbh Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 The opps are most likely headed to game/slam and what we really need totry to do is keep clubs out of the picture where the opps are favored to have a massive fit. 3d will go a long way toward accomplishing that goaland maybe we will get lucky and steer the opps into a major suit where wewill undoubtedly be much happier than in a club contract. Raising a weak 2 with 2 small carries some risk especially if your partner likesto bid with 6 small. Is the risk worth the tactical advantage? while I think sonot all will agree and pass rates to be a popular choice.I agree. It's an aggressive bid that even if we go down two doubled it will probably be a good score. I believe it's a risk worth taking in this situation. If we we switch the clubs with one of the majors, the 3 level preempt wouldn't do much, then I'd pass. I can also understand a pass response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 [hv=pc=n&n=sq8543hj9862d53ca&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2dp]133|200|IMPS2♦ = weak, classic styleNorth can now bid: 2♥ = neutral relay, asking for side major. (You can stop in 3D/M later.)3♦ = pree raiseBid?[/hv] IMO Pass = 10, 3♦ = 9, 2♥ = 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Pass, but dont think 3♦ is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Full hand:[hv=pc=n&s=sa2h5dakt642ct532&w=sth73dj97ckq98764&n=sq8543hj9862d53ca&e=skj976hakqt4dq8cj&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2dp3d4d]399|300[/hv] I realized opps had a club fit, but were extremely likely to be in trouble over a preemptive 3♦. This is off LTTC bounds, but it should be correct tactically. And sure enough, it materialized: East could do nothing but cueing his major 5-5, leaving West, and his side, in big trouble. We would have set it -3 down doubled.... had pard not made a gigantic blunder which shall remain undisclosed :) All I could say at the end was "next time pls open it 1♦ kthx". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 what is the point of this? Sure, your 3♦ worked well, until your less-than-expert partner presumably bid 5♦. However, one reason it worked so well was that your partner had a full opening bid at favourable! I really don't like posts the main purpose of which seems to be to say: look at me! See how wonderful my 3♦ bid was! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I don't want you to look at me.. lol. I'm ugly. My point is that 3♦ is arguably a good tactical bid, that's all. You may disagree ofc, but it certainly has its merits. At least I think so. Just so you know, it didn't came totally out of my head: I read the idea in Robson/Segal. My only merit was to realize I could try the trick here. Nothing special about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 What is 'the trick'? Always raise P's preempts on 2-card suits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 The problem with raising to 3D on this hand, is that you're likely to push the opponents into a skinny 3NT/4M which rolls home on a diamond lead. Make the hand [Qxxxx Jxxxx Ax x] and you would get my vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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