RunemPard Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Partner opens 1H and you hold... ♠AKQx♥QTxxx♦Jxx♣x 1♥-2N*3♦*-3♠*3N*-4♣*4♦*-? 2N=Jacoby3♦=extras, no shortness3♠=control3N=undiscussed4♣=control4♦=control Agree up to here? Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 edit ok pard promises extras so 4s now if that is rkc in hearts Responder has an adjusted 5 loser hand with the ten card h fit. not sure how little pard might have for extras but this should be cold: a minimum extra hand might be: xx..AKxxx...AK....Qxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 The problem with your auction is that you never showed a singleton club which is the critical feature of your hand. The way your auction played out, you have no clue whether opener has [xx AKJxx KQx Axx] (slam is laydown), or [xx AKJxx Axx KQx] (slam is hopeless). If you simply describe your hand on the first round with a 4C splinter, you can trust partner to make the right decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I thought about making the splinter but I think responder's hand is too good assuming we play splinters promise a certain range. fwiw I think both example hands are far too good to rebid 3nt rather than a 4c cuebid over 3s. After the 4c cue responder has an easy 4h rebid and opener has a decision to make to continue or not. It helps a lot if 3nt implies no club control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 What would 1H-2NT-3NT mean? Stiff diamond w/extras? Stiff in oM? Additionally, what is partner's view on opening a strong 1NT with a 5 card major. If I was playing with a clone of me, I'm gonna guess there is a balanced 17-19 count over there. Playing a 15-17 NT if partner always opens 1NT with a 5 card major (and it's hearts we are raising so he is more likely to have), partner has 17+ to 19- (or he might have opened 2NT) I agree with WesleyC it would have been nice to splinter, but as I cannot do that, I'm going to wheel out blackwood and punt. Edit: Did a really primitive sim (south holds this hand, north has a 17-19 NT with a 5332 shape and the A or K of diamonds): Slam makes: 83%Grand makes: 70 times of 273Small Slam makes: 155 times of 273 Given the 83% shot, you have to take it. Blackwood increases those odds by about 2%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 We have a tough guess here, if partner doesn't have much wasted in clubs then slam will be cold. If there had been a way to get him to evaluate that it woulda been cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I thought about making the splinter but I think responder's hand is too good assuming we play splinters promise a certain range. Fair enough - the 5th trumps certainly makes this hand a maximum splinter for me. However, even after 1M - 2NT you still need a way for both players to show shortage (in case responder has a hand too strong to splinter). Knowing about shape is sooooo much more important than knowing about controls in this kind of auction. The simplest option is adding a one line agreement: After 1M - 2NT, if opener rebids 3C (minimum) or 3D (bal extras), then the first new suit bid by EITHER player is shortage. So for example: 1M 2NT3D 4C* would show this hand while 1M 2NT3D 3H would be no shortage. and after 1NT 2NT3C* 3M opener would show shortage (or bid 3NT without). You can obviously improve considerably on this method, but it gets the job done and is a massive improvement over just control bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 3NT as not discussed is a red flag. Everything is guessing in that context. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Jacoby is better suited to use with balanced hands. It appears splinter bids are not used with this pairs methods which is my choice. I bid 4H and let partner guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Jacoby is better suited to use with balanced hands. It appears splinter bids are not used with this pairs methods which is my choice. I bid 4H and let partner guess. We had splinters available..I just decided that the hand seemed either too good or almost too good to use one...Wasn't sure if I could get more information by splintering or starting with Jacoby. Should have said in my post, but we are playing 2/1 w/ reverse bergen, splinters, and jacoby. 1M-2N3C=all mins3D=extras, no shortage3H=extras, single cluband so on up to voids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Partner opens 1H and you hold... ♠AKQx♥QTxxx♦Jxx♣x 1♥-2N*3♦*-3♠*3N*-4♣*4♦*-? 2N=Jacoby3♦=extras, no shortness3♠=control3N=undiscussed4♣=control4♦=control Agree up to here? Now what? No. I would have Splintered instead of Jacoby 2nt. You must play a very low or tight range for your Splinters if this hand does not qualify... S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Isn't this really that unbalanced hands are better off showing so P if balanced can assess if his honours are fitting or wasted,can if unbalanced see if there is a double fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 By FTL lore slam rates to be percentage here. I'll keycard and bid 6. If all keys are there I might try for 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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