WesleyC Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 IMPs [hv=pc=n&n=sjhaj6dakjt94ckq8&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1d3hdp]133|200[/hv] What do you bid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 MPs or IMPs? My first thought is 3NT, though we are a little strong for that. ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 What's so hard about bidding 3NT? A slam may be on, but hey preempts work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Updated to confirm - IMPs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 3NT could easily be our last plus score, and I am the only one able to bid it, so I bid it. Sometimes when slam is on partner will be able to bid again, but I may be dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Passing at those colors could work out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 If partner is shape suitable, slam is good opposite as little as: ♠xxxx♥x♦xxxx♣Axxx The idea of bidding 3NT makes me feel ill, since we could even go DOWN in 3NT with slam cold: ♠Axxx♥x♦xxxx♣Axxx, when they lead a spade from: QJT9x Q Qxx JTxx The risk of trying for at least trying for six diamonds is minimal, since if partner does not have a stiff heart, he should have at least ten points to double at this level. So I am going to try 4♥ followed by 5♦. Partner may initially interpret this as a slam try in spades, but it ain't necessarily so. I will still miss a slam now and again, but if I just bash it, no doubt partner will have a load of wasted cards in spades. I will usually get there opposite any reasonable hand with a stiff heart, and I am happy to miss the perfectos given what others are doing on the hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ahydra Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Phil, that hand doesn't really look like a 3H overcall B-) I know my partner likes to compete aggressively so I wouldn't be 100% sure of slam being on, but since at IMPs you can bail out in 5D, 4H sounds good. At MPs I'll stick with 3NT though. ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 3NT also makes me feel ill. It's just far too easy to miss a slam.I am torn between the simple 4NT, which has the merits of simplicity, and PhilKing's more tortured auction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 4NT may not be quite so simple if partner thinks it means something else! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Indeed if you play a negative X of 3 major as not a game force there are too many hand types to show and not enough bids. For instance, with 6D and 4C and a GF, you might say well it's easy to bid 4H. Now when partner bids 4S, 4N shows 6-4? Oh wait that's keycard in spades. 5C shows 6-4? Well what do we do with a super strong 5-5, we just bid 5C directly? Maybe but there's strong and there's super strong, it would be nice to differentiate, just like 4H then 5D is stronger than a direct 5D. I think 4N is quantitative but I could see an expert partner maybe not thinking that. I think 4N is a bad bid even if it will be interpreted correctly, we have a stiff spade and our hearts are only AJx, I'd really rather prefer to play in 5D than 4N most of the time. And I def want to alert partner that the target is six diamonds, our hand is a lot different than a 3343 19 count. A lot of these problems are solved if 4 of a minor is forcing but then you are just too high sometimes as you can just have 11 opp 9 or w/e. It's not an easy problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 This is a very good problem Wesley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I had written a long (what's new?) post earlier and then not posted it because I couldn't convince myself :D For instance, 3N is not working well if we play there and could have got 500 or 800 from defending or, on some innocuous hand such as Q10xx x Qxx AJxxx be cold for 6♦. Otoh, sometimes 3N is the best spot....and sometimes, when it isn't, partner may move...he is, after all, unlimited. Then I asked myself how we'd want to bid Axxx x Qxx Axxxx opposite Jx AJx AJ108x Kxx, where even 9 tricks in notrump isn't clear yet opposite our actual hand, grand is excellent....how is partner to know when we have nice looking 14 or a great looking 19? So that got me to 4N, but then I paused for the reason that others have identified....I know I mean it as natural, and maybe partner will realize that the meta-rule of 'if it could be natural, it is natural' applies, but if we're not on the same page, I foresee an ugly end. So that got me to 4♥, but I agree with Frances' description of the ensuing auction as tortured....once again, who knows what partner will read into my bidding 5♦ over his very likely 4♠? Matters got worse when I thought about the hand-types on which I would negative double (thinking that if I do this, then probably a lot of other players do as well). One of them is the long spades, too much to pass, since opener may not feel able to reopen, and not enough to bid 3♠...sort of a good 2♠ opening bid. KQ10xxx xx xx Axx If you'd stretch to bid 3 gf ♠ make it slightly weaker in playing strength to the point where, assuming the line exists, it crosses beneath the 3♠ line and into a double. That got me back to pass....but pass is just way too committal and pessimistic So I am now finally (?) back to 4♥, hoping to survive. Excellent problem....I have wasted more time trying to answer this than any bidding problem for well over a year, if not longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Excellent problem....I have wasted more time trying to answer this than any bidding problem for well over a year, if not longer. Yup, that's why I gave +1. I asked myself, if I had the chance to be pd with myself, I would still probably misunderstand myself at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 IMPs [hv=pc=n&n=sjhaj6dakjt94ckq8&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1d3hdp?]133|200|What do you bid? [/hv] IMO 6♦ = 10, Pass = 9, 4♥ = 8, 4N = 6, 3N = 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Yup, that's why I gave +1. I asked myself, if I had the chance to be pd with myself, I would still probably misunderstand myself at the table.You would still have a language barrier. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrussell Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Agree with nige1 6♦ = 10, Pass = 9, 4♥ = 8, 4N = 6, 3N = 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I'd bid 3 NT. (not an expert) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 6D, I'm feeling lucky. But I'm afraid if 6C might be the better contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Badger Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 The great late Rixi Markus wouldn't have hesitated a second on this hand and (I assume) would bid 6♦. 6♣ may well be the better contract, but you also you could also end up in a Moysian slam in ♣. Partner should have some tolerance/support for ♦for the X. Bid what you think you can make; don't give the ops any more info. If it goes down then at least you have been bold and not a wuss. 4♥ is not a bad bid but it could confuse matters; 4NT too. That opening hand is a monster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdegrande Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 IMPs I pass, The plus score may be quite large white against red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm glad some of you enjoyed this problem! My vote is for 4H, converting 4S into 5D, or bidding slam directly over 5C/5D. Several of you suggested that starting with 4H might confuse partner, but I don't agree. Partner will know to get excited about diamond support, the black aces and a heart shortage and not so excited with minimum hands and soft spade values. At the table the full layout was: [hv=pc=n&s=sq82hkdq753caj964&w=sa975ht5d862c7532&n=sjhaj6dakjt94ckq8&e=skt643hq987432dct&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=1d3hdp3nppp]399|300[/hv] So the total point scoring for each choice is: Pass = -7303NT = +4604H/4NT/5D/6D = +920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kebrat Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 4NT for RKCB Diamonds, ending up in 6D. 3nt doesn't make on the genius lead of !sK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 4♦ should be forcing and we should bid it. Now if we don't hae nice agreements I would try 4♥+5♦ for sure. This problam is tougher playing MPs. For me 4NT must be 6-4 minors when 4♣ is not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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