whereagles Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 IMPs. [hv=pc=n&w=sakj9h984dt86ck95&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=2hpp]133|200[/hv] See poll. Voting disclaimer appreciated :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 If I'd pass but I don't think it obvious, how should I vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 so it shalt be written, so it shalt be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I decided obv pass was a tad better than close pass :))) since the reward sidewas sort of thin even if the area was kind of large while the risk side wasstill quite strong. At MP I would x with little fanfare since the most I risk is1 board and I expect x to succeed close to 65% (making or off 1 no x). The problemat IMPS is when the other 35% kick in we could be talking large negatives thatmay take quite a few hand one overtrick at a time to make up:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 The heart length means that partner probably has shortage (unless its 6-3-1-3 around vthe table) so its likely that he doesn't have anything good. Combined with the poor shape I'd pass but it would get some thought at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 The heart length means that partner probably has shortage (unless its 6-3-1-3 around the table) so its likely that he doesn't have anything good. Combined with the poor shape I'd pass but it would get some thought at the table. I actually think partners pass indicates length in hearts or rho has enough strength to try to buy it in 2♥. The downside to bidding is much to large for me at imps should rho have medium or better values with a stiff heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm a passer. Unless opener is a very aggressive 2 ♥ bidder who bids on 5 ♥s a lot, it looks like there are 4 missing ♥ between partner and "responder". At favorable vulnerability for them, it would seem like responder would raise on most hands with 3 ♥s. Since that hasn't happened, I think the odds favor either 2-2 distribution or partner having 3 ♥s. If they are 2-2, then partner doesn't appear to have enough to overcall or double. If partner has 3 ♥ to nothing then it looks like potentially 3 quick losers in ♥s. If partner has 3 ♥ to a stopper, then partner probably has less than enough for a 2 NT call. You have a 9 loser hand despite the 11 points and 2 1/2 QTs. Even if partner has a 7 loser hand (i.e. about an opener), it suggests that 8 tricks may be the limit your side can make. Responder can still have a pretty good hand when holding only 2 ♥ and pass. So at red pockets, discretion seems to dictate a pass rather than competing to the 3 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I solved the "obvious pass" thing by thinking it is obvious to me; but, knowing it might not be obvious to others. Justin, back when he was JLALL, i believe, explained that when he called an action "clear" or "obvious"..he didn't necessarily mean he hadn't seriously considered alternatives before coming to that conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I hate passing but I must as I have so many losers in this flat hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I hate passing but I must as I have so many losers in this flat hand.That's one way of looking at it. A nine LTC hand, with no assurance that is accurate because no fit is established for us. Silly me, I just counted my 3 hearts. But, I prefer to be an optimist...count it as a 2-winner hand..so, if partner can contribute 6 fillers we are in business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 no vote for 2♠?.. if you find a 10 HCP 3244 across (not so bad odds), it would play better in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 no vote for 2♠?.. if you find a 10 HCP 3244 across (not so bad odds), it would play better in spades. Indeed that's what I would bid at reversed vul or maybe at mp's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Full hand:[hv=pc=n&s=s432h7dkqj95cj432&w=sakj9h984dt86ck95&n=sqhaqj532d742cqt8&e=st8765hkt6da3ca76&d=n&v=e&b=1&a=2hpp]399|300[/hv] Spade fit is there, but even 3♠ is in jeopardy, if opps find their heart ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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