whereagles Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Curious about this one... ♠ 82 ♥ AQ976 ♦ KJ2 ♣J84 You're playing straight down the middle SAYC or 2/1. Under which conditions would you open this hand 1♥? (Didn't poll it because there are way too many options lol.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I would open this 1♥ in 1st, 2nd or 3rd seat. I would pass it out in 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Maybe playing a semi-forcing 1NT makes it more attractive to open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Tough one. I agree with mgoetze, but the fact that the doubleton is in spades is important to me. It increases the chances for the ability to rebid 1NT to play. If the spades and clubs were switched, getting to 1NT would be less likely, rebidding 2D after a forcing 1NT ugly (I usually have 4), and the 2C alternative with two small is really ugly. If the spades and diamonds were switched, raising to 2S with a flat hand is ugly, and rebidding 2C after 1NTwith Jxx although okay, isn't ideal. Not raising spades is okay, but all sequences end with my values not being where partner will assume. Contrast with the ideal holding where you switch the clubs and diamonds. Now, a 1NT rebid is likely and a good description, with a forcing 1NT and 2C rebid being a very good description of values and where the values are. The hand values to 8 losers at suit play and about 12 in notrump. As a borderline hand, I want predicted auctions to be good and predicted rebids to be consistent with expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Maybe playing a semi-forcing 1NT makes it more attractive to open?I don't know about this semi-forcing business, I play nonforcing 1NT to go with my 2/1 GF. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I pass. I know the bridge world today will soon be thinking these pails are a 2NT rebid the way openng bid the way the trend is heading. The upside for opening is that if you pass it's possible you will get shut out and our H are sort of decent. The downside is with so few S you may let them get in a cheap overcall and partner thinks you have an opening bid and pushs too much. If you were playing 2/1 for example and partner bids a FNT you bid 2C and then they leap to 3H you are very likely going minus. I would open in 3rd but not be thrilled with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Fortunately it's not a problem if my partner thinks I have an opening bid, because by our agreements, I do. And if partner has a 3-card invite, I'll only be playing 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I don't see the attraction of balanced 11 counts. I can pass these all day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Im a 3rd seat opener due to lead direction and a good rebid underall circumstances (I also play reverse drury to handle my lighteropeners:) 4th seat (since I am a tad leary of letting the opps get spades back in the picture)--maybe if I need t mix it up a bit but normally no and especially at favorable where p could have opened 2son smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 This is another hand type I like to open 2♥ NV in third. We might be in the wrong denomination, but probably not, and we're not afraid of missing game. The opps have less info whether they defend or bid on. First in NV I would open (even though for us it has to be 1N there), second in I would pass unless NV at MPs (when my P is quite conservative about invites). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akwoo Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I bid 3rd seat only. 1st seat, opposite a known wimpy CHO, playing 5-card-major-strong-NT-Acol (i.e. 1♥-2♦-2♥ nonforcing) I would also bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 I would pass all day long, in every seat but 3rd at white v white or favourable. It is slightly more attractive to open in sayc, since 1N is now passable, I believe. However, for me to opt for opening for that reason would be hypocritical since I never play sayc. Yes, if partner were to respond 1♠, I have an easy 1N, and may even enjoy what happens next, but virtually every other sequence will leave me wishing I had passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Echo Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I would pass in 1st or 2nd seat, and open in 3rd or 4th seat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I would pass in 1st or 2nd seat, and open in 3rd or 4th seat. Same but I may open 1st seat fav if I feel like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Same but I may open 1st seat fav if I feel like it.I always thought that the order of soundness (at least with short spades) was: 3rd: least sound 1st: less sound 2nd: more sound 4th: most sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Open only in 3rd seat. There's a rebid problem with this hand pattern. Everyone knows 4333 is the worst pattern.4432 is the 2nd worst.5332 is the 3rd worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AreyHakaal Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I shall open only in the third seat.8 losers ,broken hearts ,doubtful diamonds,absense of 2 defensive tricks.All rule out opening in 1 st and 2nd seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msjennifer Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 We like to play Precision system and hence I shall open 1Heart in all positions.Playing Standard,Acol or SAYC,I shall open only in the third seat and passing in 1,2,or 4th seat for obvious reasons e.g. 8 losers etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frisbee Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 If playing 2/1, I would refuse to open this hand 1♥. If playing SAYC, I would not open 1♥ unless Partner insists that this is an opening hand. To me, this is a very clear 2♥ opener in 3rd seat if not unfavorable vulnerability. I would not strongly object if Partner opened 2♥ in 4th seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I'll pass in 1st seat, 2nd seat or 4th seat. 11 points with only 2 QTs, 8 loser hand. Close, but no cigar. In 3rd seat, it depends on what we are playing. With people who insist on playing Drury, I'd have no problem opening 1 ♥. Otherwise, I'd consider bidding 2 ♥ if not at unfavorable vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 2/1 or S/A I open only in 3rd seat. This isn't much better than a normal 11 count with a 5CM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 1♥, all day, any day, everyday, any scoring - seat - vulnerability. Just like I wrote in another topic, to me, definition of a passed hand is very important. I am not expecting to find games or slams that others can not by opening this, although occasionally that is also another benefit. Downside of reaching to bad games or slams is reduced when pd is aware that this is what I can hold for my opening. This does not mean opening this hand is risk free of course. I benefit from this when me or my pd did not open when had a chance to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrussell Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 3rd seat, none other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourdad Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Curious about this one... ♠ 82 ♥ AQ976 ♦ KJ2 ♣J84 You're playing straight down the middle SAYC or 2/1. Under which conditions would you open this hand 1♥? (Didn't poll it because there are way too many options lol.) every seat, all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 every seat, all the timeAssuming your partner is on the same page and would also open a balanced 11 in 2nd seat... what then do you gain by opening this hand in 4th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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