ArtK78 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 IMPs. 28 board match. The match is close with only a few boards to go. Then you get this hand: [hv=pc=n&n=s2h42dj6543cqjt93&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=2s3h4s?]133|200[/hv] Do you act over 4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 No and its not close at all. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Yes I do, and pass and hope partner dbles at which point my hand is not so bad and I can bid 4N. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Pass but I do think it is close. The vulnerability is right, and I have no defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Our teammates will bid the slam so 13 IMPs to us. No stripe-tail-ape doubles for me after opps have already missed the slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 is that for real, helene? :) anyway, pass of course. Not enough trumps to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Do you act over 4♠? I know the hand, but regardless I would not act over 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Pass (and 4NT if partner reopens with X). ahydra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Pass and do not consider it close since we have no good sac unlesspartner (who also sees the vulnerability) is distributional enough to act over 4s. Partner will also be able to see we are short inspades on most hands making their decision to act or not much wiserthan anything we can decide at this point. I wonder how one would act anyway since 4n (imho) is still a very significant tool for slam search and to x with this hand mightgive partner the impression we actually have something useful hereand have partner thinking about pass (ughh). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Pass For all of those reasons plus unless it's clear cut, (which this certainly isn't) competitive decisions belong to passout seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 No and its not close at all. This. In my experience, just sell out, this action is unlikely to gain massively. Think win 5 on a good day, but good easily lose out win the opps now bid and make slam, or we go for a large number, or they weren't even going to make 4S, but we are going for 300. Don't really see the upside of intervening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I guess that, in the face of overwhelming sentiment to the contrary, it appears that my decision to bid 4NT over 4♠ is not a popular one. It turned out to be a winning decision, in that 4♠ is cold and 5♥ (which was the result of my call) went for 500 (due to a poor or unlucky choice of opening lead). Still, I will think about this some more. Many expressed the idea that my partner should be in a position to decide whether we should bid more. I don't see how he can come up with any rational decision based on his hand when I am the one with 10 cards in the minors. Surely he cannot know that. In my opinion, if I do not act directly over 4♠ the final contract will be 4♠ with rare exceptions. Also, some posters stated that if partner balances with a double they will bid 4NT. I don't disagree with that, given our ODR, but it is somewhat inconsistent. Partner overcalls 3♥ into a live auction and then doubles the opps freely bid game. Might he not have 4 defensive tricks? For example: AxAKxxxxAxxxx So our run to 5 of a minor will turn a plus into a minus. Is this another instance where one passes if one has the opps beat but doubles to compete? Much to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Timo says he knows the hand, but still wouldn't act. This suggests some dumb move would have worked. However, if I tried something on this pile, the Bridge Gods would find a way to make sure I got the justice I deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I guess that, in the face of overwhelming sentiment to the contrary, it appears that my decision to bid 4NT over 4♠ is not a popular one. It turned out to be a winning decision, in that 4♠ is cold and 5♥ (which was the result of my call) went for 500 (due to a poor or unlucky choice of opening lead). Still, I will think about this some more. Many expressed the idea that my partner should be in a position to decide whether we should bid more. I don't see how he can come up with any rational decision based on his hand when I am the one with 10 cards in the minors. Surely he cannot know that. In my opinion, if I do not act directly over 4♠ the final contract will be 4♠ with rare exceptions. Also, some posters stated that if partner balances with a double they will bid 4NT. I don't disagree with that, given our ODR, but it is somewhat inconsistent. Partner overcalls 3♥ into a live auction and then doubles the opps freely bid game. Might he not have 4 defensive tricks? For example: AxAKxxxxAxxxx So our run to 5 of a minor will turn a plus into a minus. Is this another instance where one passes if one has the opps beat but doubles to compete? Much to think about. Art, I think that we have had numerous discussions in these fora with respect to the meaning of high-level reopening doubles. I am pretty sure that the consensus, amongst the better players at least, is that such a double announces values rather than a desire to penalize. Thus 3♥ then double would prototypically be 1=6=3=3 with a strong hand. We expect to beat them most of the time, if partner can't move, but we also expect to have good support for any decision he makes should he have unusual shape. As for your example hand, it wouldn't occur to me to double with Ax AKxxxx Ax xxx. Why do I expect to beat it? Sure, I will often beat it and turn 100 into 200, but opps have been known to be short in my AKxxxx suit, and now I am turning 620 into 790. Am I 5-3 favourite to beat it? Maybe, but more importantly, I show a different hand with my double! As for 4N by advancer, the action you took, it frankly makes me shudder. What is there about this auction that suggests you have 5-level safety? Indeed, I wouldn't be at all comfortable, absent prior agreement, that 4N is takeout rather than keycard. We do have double as transferable values, with partner permitted to pull, but we have no other keycard method. Maybe the vulnerability is enough to make us assume that we are more likely to want to save (and be unable to double) than to look for slam, but I am not a fan of agreements that depend on the opps's bidding + the vulnerability to assign meanings to my actions. Were we red v white, I suspect 4N keycard would be fairly common. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 With a singleton spade, partner's longest side suit may be spades if he has a side suit at all. I would pass even if I was playing a version of the Doctors system and knew partner's distribution in the minors. :D It appears highly unlikely we can make a 5 level contract, and it looks like 2 down would be a great outcome, while 3 or 4 down appear too likely to make a sacrifice look appetizing. And if ♠ is going down ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 6, 2014 Report Share Posted November 6, 2014 For all of those reasons plus unless it's clear cut, (which this certainly isn't) competitive decisions belong to passout seat. Pass and of course this is absolutely clear cut unless you are drunk and fooling around. As stated by others, 4NT over a x. Art, I don't think any bridge player would x on AxAKxxxxAxxxx Anyway, you yourself state that you were lucky to only go for 500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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