Jazzman64 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I got blistered by my partner on this bidding sequence with this hand: [hv=pc=n&n=skj75ht865dqt32c3&d=w&v=e&b=16&a=1npp2cp2dp3c]133|200[/hv] I took partner's 2♣ overcall to be forcing, so I bid the 4-card suit that would keep bidding the lowest. Partner rebid clubs and went down by 3. Partner asked me why I bid at all. I thought her bid was forcing and said so. We went down by 3 instead of by 2--don't know what the big deal is. On a related note, I'm getting really really sick of being yelled at. I represent myself as a beginner and play at the "relaxed" tables. But there doesn't seem to be a safe place on BBO for a newbie to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzman64 Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Sorry, I had an incomplete bidding sequence. It was passed out after my partner's 3 ♣ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Not forcing, and should be passed. The #1 rule on this type of auction is *no rescuing before we are doubled*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 On a related note, I'm getting really really sick of being yelled at. I represent myself as a beginner and play at the "relaxed" tables. But there doesn't seem to be a safe place on BBO for a newbie to learn. Yeah pass here - I think the robots are the best place to start though. You can try a ton of stuff, they never complain and it's a good learning experince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 The only problem is that the robots use lots of conventions that a novice won't know, like lebensohl, inverted raises, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Not forcing unless it is conventional eg for the Majors or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 The only problem is that the robots use lots of conventions that a novice won't know, like lebensohl, inverted raises, etc. Yeah, but you can mouse over the bids and work out what is going on generally. It might be a distorted perspective though obviously on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 On a related note, I'm getting really really sick of being yelled at. I represent myself as a beginner and play at the "relaxed" tables. But there doesn't seem to be a safe place on BBO for a newbie to learn.You might consider trying the Beginners and Intermediates Lounge (BIL) on BBO. They offer a free trial - http://bilbridge.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Hi Jazzman, Welcome to the forum! We all have had problems with rude partners when we started on bbo, no matter what our skill level. Here are some ideas:- become a member of BIL. If you play Acol you can also play in the Acol club.- As you become a bit more experienced you can volunteer as a substitute in tournaments. Partners tend to be more friendly toward substitutes than towards random partners- mark people you liked to play with as friends. After some time you will have enough friends so that you don't need to play with randoms As for your question: natural overcalls are not forcing. With 17 points he would have doubled. So if you can't make game opposite most 15 counts just pass. Now that the opponents open 1nt (they do play it as 15-17 don't they?) it is quite unlikely that you have game so even with say 13 points you should probably pass unless you have a six card suit to offer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 When they show that much power with the 1nt bid all roads lead to a partscore contract by us 99% of the time and with a stiff club, as Scheinwold said "when you are in a hole, stop digging". Meanwhile I get yelled at too but when I run across a player with good manners I mark them as a friend just so I can find them online and invite them to play when available. I've got quite a list now so hang in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 The only problem is that the robots use lots of conventions that a novice won't know, like lebensohl, inverted raises, etc.That's OK, the robots don't really know them either. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted December 9, 2014 Report Share Posted December 9, 2014 Unless partner's bid is conventional, it is definitely non-forcing. It should be passed. Yes, you do have a singleton in partner's suit and are concerned that 2 ♣ may not be a good place to play. However, partner will not intervene without length in the suit bid. The minimum length is normally 5 cards. The problem is that you can't know how long partner's suit is. If partner's suit is 6 or 7 cards long, 2 ♣ may not play too badly. Since you can't know what partner has, your best choice is to pass. With length in ♣s, partner is less likely to have a fit in any suit you might hold. So bidding on is more likely to dig you into a deeper whole than you might already be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillPatch Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 The normal minimum length for partner's bid is 6 cards. With 100 honors or a side 5 card suit to move to if doubled one might consider bidding a 5 card suit. Overcaller does not intend to be rescued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 There is a program BIL (beginner intermediate lounge) you can join atwww.bilbridge.com that matches up beginner/intermediate players withmentors that are willing to donate their time to help newer players learnthe ropes. Learning from other beginners/intermediates is bound to be an irritatingexperience as most are also experiencing growing pains and hate it when oneof the bids they :knew: was right turned out badly and they are actively lookingfor someone to blame (partner for instance). The simple answer to your question is pass. You have little/no reason to suspectyour side has a game or can improve the contract. 2c is supposedly a reasonable placeto play and it may be the last reasonable place to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Jazz, send me a message if you're online. I can play with you. Zero record of yelling :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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