MickyB Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 P P 1H P2C P 4C P 2C = Drury (one-way)[Edit 4C = splinter] QT9xQ9xKKT9xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 In my non-expert opinion this hand should sign off pretty sharpish - you need to tell your partner about your poorly fitting values, aceless hand and 3 trumps ASAP. With a hand like Ax AKJxxx AJxx x, p will have to move if you bid last train and opposite your hand the five level might not be safe. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I don't understand the problem. The way I play Drury is that 3♥ by partner would have been a slam try. That means that 4♣ was not a general cue, but a splinter. In that case 4♦ would not be last train in my vocabulary, but a genuine diamond cue. I would bid 4♦. If 4♣ would not be a splinter, but a cue, it would be absurd to bid a last train 4♦ since we don't have the spade control that partner denied. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I don't understand the problem. The way I play Drury is that 3♥ by partner would have been a slam try. That means that 4♣ was not a general cue, but a splinter. In that case 4♦ would not be last train in my vocabulary, but a genuine diamond cue. I would bid 4♦. If 4♣ would not be a splinter, but a cue, it would be absurd to bid a last train 4♦ since we don't have the spade control that partner denied. Rik I would guess that 4♣ is a splinter. Why does this mean that 4♦ cannot be last train? There is one bid between signing off and the current level so 4♦ is just a general slam try neither denying or confirming a ♠ control. That's the way I play it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Assuming 4♣ is a splinter, 4♦ seems crazy to me. We had soft values for our Drury to begin with (and only 3 cards, as Broze said), and now our hand's best feature has disintegrated. If all P needs to make slam is a second round ♦ control and a smattering of quacks, surely he could either have set the suit at a lower level and forced cuebids, or can now push on over my signoff? ETA - didn't register 4♦ was last train. Not my finest morning. Anyway, given that, I feel like it's even worse than bidding it as a cue would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 So what does 4C mean? 2C Drury is a poor bid on this hand anyway. You are worth 2H only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yunling Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 4♥ without hesitation. This is the worst possible hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 yeah probably the worst possible.. 4♥ seems auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 ♠ Q T 9 x ♥ Q 9 x ♦ K ♣ K T 9 x x_P - 1♥ - 2♣ - 4♣ -(2♣ = Drury (one-way), 4♣ = splinter). IMO 4♥ = 10, 4♦ = 8. No keys, wasted ♣K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Signoff in 4h seems very obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 P had all kinds of ways to investigate slam and yet they chose a 4c splinter.we do not know why they chose that method but our hand got 30% worse when pshows up short in clubs. While the ability to potentially ruff diamonds keepsthis from being a hopeless hand it is still a poor hand overall given yourp choice of bids. It seems far better to just bid 4h letting your p know about your hand downgrade and they can continue further if they wish. As an aside your hand construction seems to indicate that one pitch on the club K is unlikely to ever be the slam going trick. Switch your dia K and spade Q around and the club K might still have slam potential (even then it is at best 5050). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I bid 6♥, it must be the winner since it is posted as a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 P P 1H P2C P 4C P 2C = Drury (one-way)[Edit 4C = splinter] QT9xQ9xKKT9xx 4♥ without hesitation. This is the worst possible hand. yeah probably the worst possible.. 4♥ seems auto I disagree. This hand is much better than something like Qxx Qxx Jxx KQxx. The hand given could be just what partner is looking for: the spade suit could be a good filler opposite length, The diamond holding could take care of partner's losers in the suit. On a good day, even the ♣K might provide a useful pitch. Bearing in mind that with a perfect fitting hand I should be forcing to slam, I should show vague signs of encouragement when my hand is OK, particularly when I'm not committing our side above the 4-level. I bid 4♦. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanoff Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 Agree it's not the worst possible hand. Switch the black pictures around and I'd cue as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 yeah probably the worst possible.. 4♥ seems auto I disagree. This hand is much better than something like Qxx Qxx Jxx KQxx. The hand given could be just what partner is looking for: the spade suit could be a good filler opposite length, The diamond holding could take care of partner's losers in the suit. On a good day, even the ♣K might provide a useful pitch. Bearing in mind that with a perfect fitting hand I should be forcing to slam, I should show vague signs of encouragement when my hand is OK, particularly when I'm not committing our side above the 4-level. I bid 4♦. It was the worst possible which was worth a 2♣ drury call. Qxx Qxx Jxx KQxxThat's a 2♥ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 It was the worst possible which was worth a 2♣ drury call. Qxx Qxx Jxx KQxxThat's a 2♥ bid.MickyB is probably opening balanced 11 counts. I will never understand why so many think it's best to have a range of 4-10 for 1H-2H, and 9.5-10.5 (or 9.5-11 if you are a more solid opener) for 1H-2C. We have a fit, and we have two more steps below the 2-level. We can manage with a range of good 8 - submin opener. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Partner evidently has extras. Your hand is worth ****** for slam. You should have some play for game in ♥. So bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 So what does 4C mean? 2C Drury is a poor bid on this hand anyway. You are worth 2H only. Trouble is, will pard expect you to Drurify this hand? :) I think most pards would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I'd say most 8s are good enough to Drury and most 11s will already have opened. Not bidding Drury on this hand is lolworthy IMO. I signed off at the table without much thought, we missed a decent slam when partner held AJxx AJT8x AQJx void. A player I respect suggested I was worth 4D. I was unsure - 7 hcp outside of clubs is ok, but stiff king must be a fair bit worse than Kx here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Seems like an obvious 4♥ imo. Splintering means looking for a distributional slam. The distribution is ok, but we have poor values and a (probably) wasted ♣K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 These hands that are (kind of) on one of 2 hooks are really hard sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I'd say most 8s are good enough to Drury and most 11s will already have opened. Not bidding Drury on this hand is lolworthy IMO.Spot on. I think this is a maximum hand for Drury. If you replace your wasted ♣K by a small club, you would still have a Drury bid (knowing that your ♦K is likely working). This is why I would co-operate with a slam try by cueing diamonds. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I sign off as we have a dead min. for Drury and KT9xx opoosite a splinter is a bad holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I play that 4D is reverse last-train, a puppet to 4H, and that 4H is last train. Partner can overrule the puppet if he does not want to sign off. That allows one to bid 4NT through the puppet or immediately, and I think the latter should be RKCB, the former something else by agreement. If you play kickback, you can also bid it through the puppet. David Gold thought this idea was good, but, like me, feared it being forgotten at the table. On this hand I would puppet and pass 4H if partner is happy with a sign-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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