patroclo Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) [sorry, translated with Google] Alfredo Versace Ends Sanya 2014 or the World Championship team free. worst edition of the Rosenblum Cup for posting a real spot antibridge numbers is ... speak for themselves: 120 open teams, 28 ladies teams, 22 senior teams. Lille Montreal, Verona, New York the latest editions accessible for everyone (especially for companions), not Chinese island where to get it takes 25 -30 hours besides air ticket at least 1000 Euros, where the hotels cost $ 200 day, eat costs 40.50 € in the most cost not to mention drinks various (7,8 € in the hotel) .Iscrizioni $ 1,200 the ladies teams in 1500 l.open, 1200 the mixed, $ 600 couples various open and ladies .... but you really want to promote the game of Red Bull Pen Bridge ???? him sponsor..ma who ??? nnn some of the players, not the Juniors (could be counted on your fingers), but the WBF ..to say nothing of formula..8 rounds of 7 board two days of swiss and via..le prime27 teams to play for the world together with the group B.Monaco 5, Cayne, Nickell (seeded 1.2.3 of tournament) to play for the final round qualifying for the knockout says it all about the validity of formula (I'm not trying to excuse our failure to qualify but I highlight that not we were the only ones to be in trouble). Now European Team Free July 2015 expected to Tromso-- Norway / Arctic Circle .... the most expensive city in Europe practically unattainable. Let's stop this massacre, this spot antibridge holding young people away from the most important races, which does not allow athletes to be able to meet at the table of the great champions, questonon and 'the bridge open to all ... only sponsors the largest can afford to support these charges, the associations do not are able to send teams to represent them, we need to take action before stay at 10 teams to play these gamesFrom scuola bridge multimediale Edited October 29, 2014 by barmar move comment translation from title to text 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 What are you on? And can I have some of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Ifindyourposthardtoreadandthetranslationisntverygood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Come on guys... Patroclo has made several interesting posts here. Unfortunately, his English isn't very good. Can't we just read past that? If we did, we could conclude that it seems that Alfredo Versace has been complaining on an Italian website about the tournament in Sanya:- Too far away from civilization- Everything is way too expensive- Poor format- No wonder so few contestants showed up And Versace goes on to complain that the next European Championship will be in Tromsø, Norway, which again will be: Too far away from civilization and too expensive. He calls for officials to stop this nonsense and make bridge again accessable for young players. I think it is interesting to hear Versace's opinion. Thanks Patroclo, Rik 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I agree. Warzaw and Bucharest, for example, have good airports, large local bridge communities, and affordable hotels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Ifindyourposthardtoreadandthetranslationisntverygood. The thread title gives the reason "sorry traduced with google", so blame google for the bad "traduction" (translation). Anyway, there have been similar comments from quite a number of people on other websites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Let's stop this massacre, this spot antibridge holdingyoung people away from the most important races, which does not allow athletes to be able tomeet at the table of the great champions, questonon and 'the bridge open to all http://i.qkme.me/3rnvk6.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Versace overlooked the 2 for 1 deal on Pina Coladas that ran from 7-9pm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I've given the thread a more descriptive title and moved the comment about translation into the text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Sanya was a disaster in many ways and google translation sucks. Prominent voices publicly stating the obvious (or not so obvious in translation) should lead to improvements at google but in the WBF.................. don't hold your breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardv Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 A rough, but less unreadable translation (of the post in Italian on AV's facebook page): >>>The Sanya 2014 World Open Teams Championship is over. The worst edition of the Rosenblum Cup by far, a true advertisement against bridge. The numbers speak for themselves: 120 Open Teams, 28 Ladies' Teams, 22 Senior Teams. Lille, Montreal, Verona, Philadelphia, the most recent editions, were accessible for all (companions in particular), quite unlike a Chinese island which takes 25-30 hours to fly to, with the ticket costing at least 1,000€, where the hotels cost $200 a day, where to eat costs 40-50€ in the cheapest places, not to mention the cost of drinks (7-8€ in the hotel). Entry fees were $1200 for a Ladies' Team, $1500 for an Open Team, $1200 for the Mixed, $600 for the various Pairs...but you really want to promote the game of bridge? Red Bull China was the sponsor, but of whom? Certainly not of the players, certainly not of the juniors (who could be counted on one's fingers), but of the WBF - to say nothing of the format - two days each with 8 rounds of 7-board Swiss, with the leading 27 teams from group A qualifying with the leading 5 teams from group B [the first day split the field into two groups, with a substantial carry over]. Monaco, Cayne, Nickell (seeded 1,2,3) playing the final round with qualification at stake says it all about the validity of the format (I'm not trying to excuse our failure to qualify but to highlight that we were not the only ones in trouble). [Versace was playing for Cayne.] Now the European Open Teams in July 2015 is planned for Tromsø, Norway, in the Arctic Circle - the most expensive city in Europe, practically unreachable. Let's end this mess, this advert against bridge, which keeps the young away from the most important competitions, which does not allow competitors to meet the champions at the table, this is not bridge open to all - only the biggest sponsors can sustain these costs, the Federations are not able to send teams to represent them, we need to take action before there are only 10 teams left competing in these championships... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Now the European Open Teams in July 1915 Excellent translation, but did you mean 2015? ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Anecdotal evidence but the main reasons Kevin and I chose not to go was because it was really hard to get to, it was expensive, and the format seemed super random. So at least in our cases he was right. I love China in general and think it's great to hold more events there since they have such a big and growing bridge population, but the choice of Sanya instead of one of their major cities seemed odd. The whole short swiss to cut a lot of teams followed by very short knockout matches though, that seems criminal. Apparently they did all of this to make the mixed a more prestigious event... sorry but lol at that concept. I believe they also shortened the world open pairs right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I believe they also shortened the world open pairs right? Yes, two day quali, one day semi, two day final. In Philly each stage was 2.5 days. Even having decided to shorten the event it seems bizarre to make the semi so short, especially as there was no carry-forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 They used the same schedule in the mixed pairs as well, perhaps it was partly to avoid exempting more than two teams to the final of their respective pairs events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Compared with Philly - Open teams 145 entries (down to 120, according to Versace)Women's 31 (28)Seniors 34 (22) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 As a part time working university student (and someone who is clearly not good enough to be sponsored) there is no way I can afford to spend a week in Norway. I can imagine there are a lot of other juniors feeling the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 As a part time working university student (and someone who is clearly not good enough to be sponsored) there is no way I can afford to spend a week in Norway. I can imagine there are a lot of other juniors feeling the same way. As a fully employed young person, there is no way I can afford a week in Norway or India or Orlando or even at a hotel just down the street, either. I know for a fact there are a lot of other recent-juniors who feel the same way. I think the only solution is to stop having bridge championships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardv Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Excellent translation, but did you mean 2015? ahydraThanks, I've corrected it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I know for a fact there are a lot of other recent-juniors who feel the same way. I think the only solution is to stop having bridge championships.This is a bit silly. Of course there will always be playersfor whom it is too expensive but that's no reason not to make it more affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 This is a bit silly. Of course there will always be playersfor whom it is too expensive but that's no reason not to make it more affordable. The question I have and the reason I'm mocking the quote is why would more juniors at the event make it better? Because it's so nice to see young people playing bridge? Great. Just great. I just think it's completely ridiculous to make accessibility to juniors specifically a priority in deciding the venue for a world bridge championship. Accessibility/affordability for the greatest number of people? Fine. But even if you held the tournament every year in the busiest college cities in the world, you'd still get like 1% of participants as juniors? Oh the injustice of making a world bridge championship inconvenient for college kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Come on guys... Patroclo has made several interesting post here. Unfortunately, his English isn't very good. Can't we just read past that? If we did, we could conclude that it seems that Alfredo Versace has been complaining on an Italian website about the tournament in Sanya:- Too far away from civilization- Everything is way too expensive- Poor format- No wonder so few contestants showed up And Versace goes on to complain that the next European Championship will be in Tromsø, Norway, which again will be: Too far away from civilization and too expensive. He calls for officials to stop this nonsense and make bridge again accessable for young players. I think it is interesting to hear Versace's opinion. Thanks Patroclo, Rik I agree with Rik. putting in the boots because someone's English is not great is bordering on the racist. I criticise some posters for posting idiocies and get a warning. At least I am not racist. I wonder if a certain moderator will pick up on this. I would bet not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 It's not like sanya is cheap and accessible for seniors either. I wonder who it is that prefers places like this. People with stakes in luxury hotels? Officials who sniff a chance to visit a place they would otherwise never afford to go to? I shouldn't shout corruption on a public forum when I have no way of knowing but I just lack the imagination to think of other explanations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I agree with Rik. putting in the boots because someone's English is not great is bordering on the racist. I criticise some posters for posting idiocies and get a warning. At least I am not racist. I wonder if a certain moderator will pick up on this. I would bet not. Oh cmon ffs Ron! You did (almost) the same thing in BW when you got into it with someone and you told him "It's not *abced* it is *abcde* If you are going to use this word at least learn how to spell it". You tried to belittle someone for his English language skills rather than arguing the subject in hand. Please don't tell me all your intention was to help the poor guy to improve his spelling in English language! I agree with Rik too. But calling these 2 posters "racist" is going way too far imo. And I strongly doubt Rik thinks them as racists. I have been told to write my posts in Turkish and then use google translate and then post here so someone can understand. You know very well that when someone starts his sentence or finishes his sentence with spell checking-grammar checking that he/she is hurt with your argument, can not find a better way than taking a cheap shot on you. It does not even have to be about bridge, or in a bridge forum, in any forum who attempts to go down that way is taking the lowest path possible. Unless the forum is " Proper English language forums" But these two posters here obviously could not see the OP was copied and pasted from a google translation. In fact, to me spell checking is much worse than these two replies here. Sorry. I wish I could speak or write English as well as Rainer, Fred, Gnasher, Frances etc and express my thoughts in shorter sentences/words and I wish I do not make grammar mistakes as much as I do, and believe me I am trying for it but hey...this is what I have and I am used to people taking a jab on me for it when they have nothing better to say. But I still never saw them as racist people. And I know you are not a racists either. [sorry all for off topic rant]http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Here is a better translation with also Norberto Bocchi's thoughts: http://newinbridge.com/news/2014/oct/bocchi-and-versace-are-critical-wbf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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