diana_eva Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 All vul, IMPs, 2nd seat. You are playing with a BBFer. Would you open?[hv=pc=n&n=s87643hk4dk97cat7]133|100[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 No way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'd like to think that if asked as a poll question the answer would be unanimous, but I am sure that some posters here would claim that in their methods they would always open this. I wouldn't open this playing an aggressive big club method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I know you called me old, Diana, but this is gross :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Am I playing a mini-notrump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 pass but nv I would open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Am I playing a mini-notrump? Nope. 2/1 vanilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I'd like to think that if asked as a poll question the answer would be unanimous, but I am sure that some posters here would claim that in their methods they would always open this. I wouldn't open this playing an aggressive big club method. It is a poll. And it is unanimous so far :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 [hv=pc=n&n=s87643hk4dk97cat7]133|100|All vul, IMPs, 2nd seat. You are playing with a BBFer. Would you open? [/hv] Playing with a BBFer Pass= 10, 1♠ = 6. (Inadequate strength, Poor suit, Poor lead, Poor rebid, undermines partnership confidence. But, playing in a regular partnership, with appropriate agreements, I would open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I don't particularly want a spade lead and my hand is terrible. Pass. Also 50% shot I'm pre-empting partner 2nd in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 All vul, IMPs, 2nd seat. You are playing with a BBFer. Would you open?[hv=pc=n&n=s87643hk4dk97cat7]133|100[/hv]IMO, P = 10, 2♠ = 2, 1♠ = -15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 IMO, P = 10, 2♠ = 2, 1♠ = -15 IMO p=12, 1♣=-10,1♠=-50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Wouldn't do it with a BBF'r. Thinking of "Green Eggs and Ham". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 You can open this on a strong pass system, where 1x is 8-12. it's not worth an opening even playing precision :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I make a lead directing pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 She didn't allow us to see who voted, and still couldn't get anyone to open it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Your judgement has become super warped if you think this might be a hand people would open. If you added the SJ a minority of players (maybe not a minority of forumers) would open it. Maybe you watch on vugraph or w/e and you see people opening really light, but that is systemic and it is definitely not normal to even consider opening this hand. Normal bridge with balanced hands is you open 12 or a hand worth 12. Even Jxxxx and an 11 count is an aggressive opener with such a bad suit even with A K K and a T. Opening a 5332 10 count with 5 small is not in the game. You can agree to open lighter than normal but even then, this hand is probably not in the game unless you have extremely aggressive opening agreements that very few people (relative to the bridge playing population) have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Your judgement has become super warped if you think this might be a hand people would open. If you added the SJ a minority of players (maybe not a minority of forumers) would open it. Maybe you watch on vugraph or w/e and you see people opening really light, but that is systemic and it is definitely not normal to even consider opening this hand. Nah, I didn't really think it was an opening. It was more of a "I'll just open and let's see what happens" bid, and while I did that I was thinking "I bet at least some BBFers would open this in their partnerships and have methods to stay low". I guess I was wrong, the line is not THAT low, even with spades :D This was played in Sunday's BBF Indy. I opened and the bidding went: [hv=d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p1sp2dp2np3nppdrppp]133|100[/hv] I of course started to prepare a long list of apologies. Dummy tabled: [hv=pc=n&s=sq2haj8da8532ckq4]133|100[/hv] Down one, when jinx-opps took1 diamond and 4 spades. I found it funny. Only reason I posted was, as Aqua astutely remarked, to see if I can get anyone to open it :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Playing with a BBFer ......But, playing in a regular partnership, with appropriate agreementsThe only partners with whom I have appropriate agreements are bbfers. What do I do? Playing an inappropriate system I open because pass shows 4+ hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Nah, I didn't really think it was an opening. It was more of a "I'll just open and let's see what happens" bid, I know this thread is not that serious but that is a serious leak in almost everyone's game. As you get better at bridge it becomes less "fun" because playing good bridge is all about being disciplined. This might seem funny coming from me since I generally play very aggressive styles in my partnerships in most spots, but I am "disciplined" in the terms of what my partner expects and what my style dictates. For instance, I was second seat all vul last week and I had QJT9876 xxx x xx. It went pass to me. My partner and I are quite sound 2nd seat red so I passed. This seemed silly since this spade suit is meant to be bid, but my partner will expect more/better for a 2nd seat red 2S bid. Of course it went 2N p 3D p 4H AP and my partner had Axxx x Qxxx Axxx so that was a double game swing lol, but the point is I was disciplined within my style. I did not just say "you know lets preempt and see what happens," if it was +EV to do so then that would be my style. Opening this hand or bidding in general with light hands to see what happens is more fun and it can definitely work. But if it usually worked it would be normal. Whenever you take an unusual action you really need a reason to do so, most people would be well served by attempting at all times to do what is "normal" because it is normal for a reason. Being disciplined is not that fun, but winning/doing better is also fun. When you have the urge to do something that you know is not correct or normal, ask yourself if you think it is really best, or if you are just bored and want to bid to see what happens. IMO. As you get better, taking actions you know are probably bad but might work will become less fun :( Edited October 28, 2014 by PhantomSac 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted October 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I know this thread is not that serious but that is a serious leak in almost everyone's game. As you get better at bridge it becomes less "fun" because playing good bridge is all about being disciplined. ... You are right, and thank you for the thoughtful reply. I do find it hard to be disciplined and the honest reason is because I'm bored and feel like doing silly things just for the fun of it. Playing with robots doesn't help in that sense :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yes, playing with robots you can try out different styles (including some weired styles and semipsychs) and see if it works. It doesn't lead to partnership trust errosion. Playing with a human p it is good to keep in mind that it is more fun if partner bids disciplined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinksy Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 In your defence, my double was almost as bad as your opening :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramticket Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 10 HCP, but ... - A balanced hand. - No honour combinations. - Points are in the short suits. - Only an average number of 10s and 9s. I would value this as a 9 count at best. I wouldn't dream of opening it ... particularly in second seat! I sometimes play with team-mates who play a mini no trump (10-12). But I rather suspect that this hand is too weak even for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I play mini-NT (10-13) nonvul in 1st & 2nd seat along with 10 HCP openers under those conditions. Since our methods do not allow for 5 card major mini 1NT openings, this is a 1♠ opener under those conditions (unless we decide to treat the spade suit as 4 cards, in which case we open 1NT). Vul? Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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