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  1. 1. Playing SAYC, what's your call?

    • 1S
      2
    • 2S
      14
    • Pass
      0
    • Other
      0
  2. 2. Playing Fantunes, what's your call? (see below)

    • 2S
      16
    • Pass
      0
    • Other
      0


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(ETA) rats, I forgot to include vulnerability - it's unfavourable

 

a) Playing a standard system (SAYC for argument's sake), do you open this 1, 2 or pass?

 

b) Playing Fantunes, do you open 2 or pass?

 

To give some context to the latter, our Fantunes 2-bid is '10-13 points after allowing for distribution, with 5+ cards in the suit, but promising a singleton outside if only 5'. So I find a better way to think about it is maybe 'about a point less than a minimum SAYC distribution-based opening bid'. Obviously NV you might take some liberties, but 1st in, vul, we try to keep them constructive.

 

Somehow this hand feels on the cusp of both a Fantunes and weak 2.

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For me it's both. At the table, opening 2S got a disastrous result, and while I realise that's mainly bad luck, I think it's such a poor 10 count that conceivably passing it (playing Fantunes) could be the winning action at these colours. I don't normally loser count, but this is one of the only Fantunes 2-bids I can remember that had 8, and the KQH and JC look ridiculously overrated on Milton-Work. P will be punting game on most reasonably crisp 10 counts with 4s - he's also likely to compete heavily over Hs with reasonable s, which might work badly.

 

I'm not talking myself into not bidding it, but was uncertain enough to bring it here.

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For me we would open 1 playing what I play (Acol rather than SAYC), 2 in Fantunes, if you pass in Fantunes, partner will have Q9xx, J10xx, AKxx, x.

 

Maybe, but if P has that hand, the opps are likely to bid Cs, giving P a chance to X or you a chance to overcall. They'll prob find a sac, but they might have done that anyway.

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IMO there is no such thing as an in-between. If suit quality and pattern are appropriate for 2, then always open either 2 or 1, depending on overall strength, but never pass. It's a bidders game, if you have a bid, then bid.

 

edit: just now seeing that it is unfavorable. Now the suit is close to not good enough. But I still bid 2. Never played Fantunes, but given your description the hand seems better suited to 1.

 

edit again: I misread that entirely, lol. 2 always.

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unfavourable

a) Playing a standard system (SAYC for argument's sake), do you open this 1, 2 or pass?

b) Playing Fantunes, do you open 2 or pass?

To give some context to the latter, our Fantunes 2-bid is '10-13 points after allowing for distribution, with 5+ cards in the suit, but promising a singleton outside if only 5'. So I find a better way to think about it is maybe 'about a point less than a minimum SAYC distribution-based opening bid'. Obviously NV you might take some liberties, but 1st in, vul, we try to keep them constructive. Somehow this hand feels on the cusp of both a Fantunes and weak 2.[/hv]

IMO 2 is OK, playing either system.
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