Antrax Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 None vul, IMPs. [hv=pc=n&s=sjt98742haq32dck2]133|100[/hv]Partner opens 3♦ (partner is GIB, so preempt style is fairly disciplined) in first seat, pass to you. Any bid?I passed, LHO bids 3NT back to you. Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Pass and pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Keep passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Pass with some relief, and hope it goes off on a bad break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted October 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The first pass is clear I think - mostly because partner might bid again. If partner were barred for the rest of the auction, would 4♠ have been right? I can't figure out why you shouldn't double 3NT. You're looking at 10 HCP to go with partner's 6+, so it's not like they're going to hit you a 30 combined. Breaks are bad for the pointed suits, so it looks if you just go passive declarer should have a hard time finding a ninth trick, no? On the actual hand declarer earned +550 because GIB gave it the club suit on the lead (led the ♣T from its ♣Txx into dummy's ♣QJ98x). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The first pass is clear I think - mostly because partner might bid again. If partner were barred for the rest of the auction, would 4♠ have been right? I can't figure out why you shouldn't double 3NT. You're looking at 10 HCP to go with partner's 6+, so it's not like they're going to hit you a 30 combined. Breaks are bad for the pointed suits, so it looks if you just go passive declarer should have a hard time finding a ninth trick, no? On the actual hand declarer earned +550 because GIB gave it the club suit on the lead (led the ♣T from its ♣Txx into dummy's ♣QJ98x). I don't understand this post. Partner would, of course, not bid again if you bid 4S.No, I am not going to double. It would not even occur to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The first pass is clear I think - mostly because partner might bid again. If partner were barred for the rest of the auction, would 4♠ have been right? I can't figure out why you shouldn't double 3NT. You're looking at 10 HCP to go with partner's 6+, so it's not like they're going to hit you a 30 combined. Breaks are bad for the pointed suits, so it looks if you just go passive declarer should have a hard time finding a ninth trick, no? On the actual hand declarer earned +550 because GIB gave it the club suit on the lead (led the ♣T from its ♣Txx into dummy's ♣QJ98x). Its nice that we have HCP but I dont see many tricks for our side (except for ♥A). Strong hand is behind us so finesses will probably work for them. And partner has no idea what to lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I can't figure out why you shouldn't double 3NT. You're looking at 10 HCP to go with partner's 6+, so it's not like they're going to hit you a 30 combined. Breaks are bad for the pointed suits, so it looks if you just go passive declarer should have a hard time finding a ninth trick, no? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Hey, I know just enough to think myself into stupid plays :)For serious I tried visualizing and all that and decided declarer will score 5 clubs off the top before losing the lead a second time and us cashing a lot of pointed suit cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Hi, most would play X of 3NT as lead directing, eiter demanding a diamond leador forbidding a diamond lead, take your pick.We play it as demand, and one thing is for sure ... I dont want to have adiamond lead.Regarding 4S: You basically lack communication, on average you will be -2/-3,depending how much you find out side diamonds with p.3NT can go down, but you have a lot of honors out side diamonds, i.e. if declarerhas to locate specific honors, he will guess right, the only question is, how often can he travel to dummy. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I would jump to 4♠ immediately. I don't expect this to receive overwhelming support, but I will wait to be flamed before justifying my stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Jump to 4S? We have some pretty adequate defense, I'd be pretty happy to defend 4H, and we're probably going to catch a stiff spade and just go for a number! Bidding 4S really shows a lack of bridge understanding. Perhaps you should go back to playing with the novices. i really wanted to see the reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 I would jump to 4♠ immediately. I don't expect this to receive overwhelming support, but I will wait to be flamed before justifying my stance. OK I was going to start a small fire but kuhchung has that covered, so what's the logic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Jump to 4S? We have some pretty adequate defense, I'd be pretty happy to defend 4H, and we're probably going to catch a stiff spade and just go for a number! Bidding 4S really shows a lack of bridge understanding. Perhaps you should go back to playing with the novices. i really wanted to see the reason Nice spoiler. [hv=pc=n&s=s974htdqtcqj85432&w=sthk964dkj863ckt9&n=sk52haqj872d9752c&e=saqj863h53da4ca76&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=3cp4h4sppp]399|300[/hv] Muller/De Wijs were North South versus the Madsen brothers. 4♠ went two down. 4♥ would possibly go 5 down. The auction looks crazy but it gave East an insoluble problem. The "cold" 3NT was reached in the other room. However, since you don't rate to make 3♣, you may as well jump to 4♥ and give them a real headache (it's not as if you can get to 3♥). The set-up in the original hand in this thread is not identical, but some of the principles can be applied. On the original hand it's really difficult for them to nail us in 4♠ - after all double would usually be for take-out. If we catch them with a hand that would have overcalled 3NT (which would presumably make quite a decent amount of the time), they are more or less stuck, and if they stick out their neck with a 5♣ overcall, or gulp, 5♥ we will be delighted. Randoms probably can double you in 4M, but more cultured players usually can't, so you should choose your opponents carefully when trying this sort of thing. And if you play against the Dutch, remember to play double as strong balanced here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 It isn't enough that you Europeans preempt crazy, you have to advance crazy too? thanks, pretty interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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